tm wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
m...

tm wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
m...

tm wrote:

I agree with the GFI protection on all household outlets. Good idea.


No, it isn't. You can get nuisance trips on refrigerators and
freezers. They have grounded cords and they don't need GFCI. I
haven't
seen a new copy of the NEC lately, but I was told it is against code in
the US to use a GFCI to power either.

So don't use them on either. They are usually blocked for child access
anyway.


A GFCI won't protect a kid from sticking something into an outlet and
killing themselves if they are across line & neutral.



A young child will usually not be dexterous enough to simultaneously stick a
bare metal object into both line and neutral. Even if they do, the main
current path will not be through the chest. They most likely stick a metal
object into the line terminal while sitting on the floor and get the current
through the body.


That doesn't stop them from chewing on a cord, or getting hold of a
lamp they knocked off a table.


The GFI device will trip under those conditions doing exactly what they were
designed for.


Um, no.


But it's really your choice how safe you want the environment for your young
kids.

But you know this and are only looking for a ****ing contest.


If anyone is ****ing, it's you. Most outlets are no where near a
ground path other than the ground terminal in that outlet. Ones in a
kitchen, bathroom or outdoors should have GFCI protection. That's what
the US electrical code calls for. It can either be built into an outlet
for around $10, or into a circut braker for $25 or more. A GFCI outlet
can protect regualr outlets that are down stream from it. There is no
reason for whole house GFCI. In the US, with split phase 120/240, it
would require a pair of sensors, and trip up to 200 amps. Only a madman
would require that when a single circuit can be protected for lower cost
and with a higher level of safety. In fact, lights and outlets in a
room should be on seperate circuits so you aren't left in the dark if
something takes out the outlet circuit.

Keep ****ing if you want to. I deal in facts, not fantasy.


--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a band-aid on it, because it's
Teflon coated.