On Sat, 1 Jan 2011 06:16:50 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Dec 31 2010, 11:23*am, bud-- wrote:
HeyBub wrote:
bud-- wrote:

A poll by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press about a
year ago
http://people-press.org/report/537/
found that almost half of regular Fox viewers thought "health care
legislation will create death panels", an absurd propaganda piece.

## And guess what? They were correct.

(Wall Street Journal, December 29th)
"On [last] Sunday, Robert Pear reported in the New York Times that Medicare
will now pay for voluntary end-of-life counseling as part of seniors' annual
physicals. A similar provision was originally included in ObamaCare, but
Democrats stripped it out amid the death panel furor. Now Medicare will
enact the same policy through regulation."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...57604570280391...

(San Jose Mercury News, December 27-28th)
"Welcome back, death panels. Really.
"New Medicare regulations taking effect Saturday will pay doctors who advise
patients on end-of-life care, including options for advance directives on
how they want to be treated. This is all the health care reform proposal
ever intended."
http://www.mercurynews.com/top-stori...nclick_check=1

"They were correct"???
The Palin, et al, propaganda was that a "panel" would deny care to the
elderly.
- Where is the panel?
- Where is the denial? There is only counseling? Patients get the care
they decide they want. They can change their minds. Are republicans
against choice? (Or do they just lie about what is in legislation to try
to defeat it?)

What was/is proposed is only a "death panel" to an idiot like Sarah
Palin or someone who is dishonest (Fox?).

A NBC/Wall Street Journal poll about a year ago had 75% of Fox viewers
believing the health care reform would "Stop Care To The Elderly". Why
did such a high percentage of Fox viewers believe this insane lie?

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Bud, in all honesty, there is a death panel at every insurance
company, be it private or
government. Surely you've heard all the stories over the years of
patients with a terminal
disease being denied access to a new, expensive treatmentthat offers
some chance of
success because the insurer does not believe the treatment is
justified. In other words
they are making a judgement call on the cost/benefit of the treatment
options, some of
which will result in patients dying.

No, they are making judgments on the efficacy of treatments, not the viability
of individuals. "Experimental" means something.

As for Fox viewers believing that the bill passed would "Stop Care to
the Elderly", I can see
why they would answer Yes. The bill was being sold to the public
partly on the basis that it
was going to be funded through huge savings in the current Medicare
program, to the tune of
$400Bil. I think many of
us believe if you reduce funding to Medicare, it will reduce some care
available to the elderly under
the current program. The pollsters obviously chose and worded that
particular question to get
the results they wanted. I believe if they actually do cut funding,
then it will stop some care to the
elderly.

And that brings up one of the stupidist parts of this whole plan. The
govt actually wants us to
believe they are going to partly fund a new program by simply
reducing waste and mismanagement
in a current govt program, ie Medicare. Wouldn't a rational person
simply say, you've been running
that program for 45 years and it's full of waste, fraud and
mismanagent that comes to $400Bil.
Go straighten it out FIRST, then when we see the
results, we can consider letting you expand into a bigger program?