On Sat, 25 Dec 2010 18:18:42 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Sat, 25 Dec 2010 15:48:52 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 25 Dec 2010 11:20:44 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:


"
"Prior to 14 November 1986, the physical presence requirement in this
case was ten years (instead of five) -- including five years (instead of
two) spent after the parent's 14th birthday. The requirement was reduced
in 1986, but the change did not retroactively make US citizenship
available to people born previously who did not meet the old
requirement. (Congress's intent not to make this change retroactive was
affirmed in 1988 with the passage of Public Law 100-525, § 8(d), 102
Stat. 2619). " same source as above

--- So, when Obama was born in 1961, in order for him to be born a US
citizen his mom would have had to be 19yrs at his birth (14yrs plus the
five years required to be old enough to pass on citizenship at birth).
Thus, he would have naturalized his citizenship, making him not natural
born. I believe it was Ted Kennedy who sponsored the law change that
reduced these requirements, but for some reason it was not put in there
to cover those before the law went into effect, including Obama.

Gunner

I'm not sure I understand your logic.
His mother was an american citizen. She was a citizen before she was
14. If she lived in the USA previous to her 14th birthday, those years
would count towards her 5 years. Where does it specify she must be any
specific age to pass on citizenship?

IF he was born outside of the USA or it's protectorates of a minor US
citizen, perhaps there might be the possibility of an issue - but the
evidence points quite strongly to his birth having occurred in Hawaii.
Is there any record of Stanley Anne Dunham having lived outside the
USA before her 19th birthday? Particularly in Kenya????
She became pregnant with Barak while a student at the U of H, while
Barak Sr was also a student there.

This whole question of his natural born American status is just a
bunch of hogwash.

Your inability to read simple documents is found to be pathetic. But
then...Canadians do have the slow among them, unfortunately.

Those cold nights and close..close families tend to make some of the
new children a bit inbred and slow.

Shrug

Gunner

"I'm a lifelong devout atheist, and I'm very tolerant of other beliefs..."
Pete C.


I read it a bit differently.
I read it that in the case of someone who is a citizen, but not a
natural born citizen or lifelong resident of the USA they must have
spent 5 years after their 14th birthday in order for their citizenship
to be automatically passed on to their offspring, and in any case did
not apply to a birth on american soil.

I may be reading it wrong, but I'm about 90+% sure you are too.

IF he was not born in the USA, it might have bearing, but you, or
anyone else, have not been able to PROVE he was not born in Hawaii as
his record of live birth states, nor can you provide any evidence his
american born, american citizen mother EVER lived outside of the USA
prior to his birth.
She was born in the mid-west, then moved to the west coast, and from
their to Hawaii - all with her parents.
After her short marriage to Obama and Barak's birth she moved around,
sometimes with, and sometimes without, her son.