On Dec 23, 10:09*am, Higgs Boson wrote:
On Dec 23, 1:58*am, Higgs Boson wrote:





On Dec 23, 1:04*am, harry wrote:

On Dec 22, 6:36*pm, "DGDevin" wrote:

"HeyBub" *wrote in message

om...

Hogwash, at least in the case of Bush 43, who had a rubber-stamp
Congress. Look at his use of his veto power, it took him more than
five years to finally discover a bill he disapproved of enough to
veto it, prior to that he couldn't see a single wrong thing Congress
wanted to do. *Are we seriously supposed to believe the White House
and Congress weren't in sync that half decade? *It is not a credible
claim.
Don't forget the current administration allowing the Congress to draft and
pass the health care bill that will have, in spite of its pedigree, be
forever associated with him.

I'm not saying no President ever has to sign a bill he isn't really happy
with, but it's ludicrous to suggest that Bush only discovered he had a veto
power after five years or otherwise he would have vetoed a whole slew of
bills prior to that. *He used that veto a dozen times once the Democrats
took control of Congress, so if he didn't use it but once in the years the
Republicans were in charge then it is reasonable to believe he wasn't too
unhappy with the bills being sent to him.

I'm also not saying Bush got everything he wanted from Congress. *He
proposed immigration reform including a path to legal status for illegal
aliens (something folks on the right imagine only a Dem would propose) and
he didn't get it. *He also asked Congress to give him a line-item veto, but
he probably didn't seriously expect they would. *But on balance it's silly
to pretend that the Bush admin didn't have a mostly cooperative Congress the
first six years.

The rich need poor people to work for them. Illegals work for less
money than anyone else.

Bingo!

That's exactly why "immigration reform" never went anywhere, despite
the huge sums thrown at the "problem". *Like the ridiculous fence
along the Mexican border which was just abandoned after costing
taxpayers

Sorry - hit the wrong key - sent too soon.

BILLIONS.

It's no secret that corrupt legislators in the pay of Big Agriculture
did away with the reasonable Bracero program in California, which
brought in farm workers on an organized basis, saw that they had
halfway decent working conditions, and sent them back home after the
job was done, on an organized basis.

Exploiting scared workers living in the shadow of deportation, subject
to "la migra" raids, often cheated of their pay by bosses calling the
authorities -- that's the way to keep wages pushed *down so low that
no (spoiled) American will take these hard, hard jobs.

That the US Congress just defeated the DREAM act is a truly revolting
example of the mad dog far-far-Right Republican obstructionism.

Young people who were brought here INVOLUNTARILY by their parents at a
very young age, have no connection with their "country of origin",
They grew up here; consider themselves Americans. *Most have worked
hard in school; some even went on to grad school and became
professionals. *All while living in fear of deportation.

It would be a horrible waste of valuable human capital to deport these
fine young people to a place they don't even know. *But the heartless
legislators who blocked the DREAM act via hysterical threats of
"opening the door to amnesty" care nothing for the welfare of our
country. They care only for the rewards they get from our corporate
masters for working to bring down Obama.

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