Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 22:10:29 -0800, the renowned Robert Baer
wrote:
Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 13:26:25 -0800, the renowned Robert Baer
wrote:
Glen Walpert wrote:
On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 00:17:16 -0800, Robert Baer wrote:
Start with the tables available from the Minco.com site.
Pick and print a table for Platinum:PE TCR=3.85e-3, R0=100,temp range
20C to 220C inclusive.
Minco indicates A=0.0039083, B=-5.775e-07, C=-4.183e-12. Put the data
in a spreadsheet and do an XY error curve, tabular data
VS equation.
Note that i had to fiddle with B and C to get a reasonable fit, and
one is challenged to get two digits of significance for C.
See attached pic of error giraffe.
Interesting giraffe. Were you bragging about the goodness of fit or
complaining about it?
I see that your ±.00005 ohm deviation is well within the tolerance for
even IEC 751 Class A 100 ohm Pt RTDs, at ±(.06+.0008?T??2E-7(T^2)) ohms -
less than 0.1% of the allowable tolerance.
It looks like you either have measurement data in your tables, with
measurement noise (rather than tables reconstructed from equations LMS
fitted to measurement data), or perhaps just round-off error.
I have used the equations (or as many terms of it as were useful for my
range), and then done a two point calibration against two temperature
standards near the ends of my measurement range with the actual RTDs to
be used, for final equation adjustment on a per-RTD basis, when setting
up temperature monitoring for test purposes where better than 1 C
accuracy was desired. The accuracies expected without individual sensor
calibration make the bounce in your giraffe seem pretty much irrelevant.
Regards,
Glen
1) That deviation is *after* the fix in the standard equation. In fact,
the fit is better if C=0.
Well, unless I misunderstand what you are saying, I see _no_ error
other than round-off, no "fix" required.
Umm... note that coefficient C is
only non-zero for the range -200°C = T = 0 :
For 0 = T = 850°C, the equation is
Rt = R0* (1 + A*T + B*T^2)
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
I Pete again (repeat): Minco indicates A=0.0039083, B=-5.775e-07,
C=-4.183e-12.
Nobody states that a C=0 is to be used in any temperature region.
Oh, on the contrary, you'll find that _every_ correct reference (and
there are many) will state that.
If you're going to insist on using the wrong equation for the
temperature range (on the basis that you've found one incorrect or
incomplete reference?), you've got to expect errors in the results.
For example, Minco says:-
-200 to 0: Rt = R0 * (1 + At + Bt^2 + Ct^3(t-100)
0 to 850 : Rt = R0* (1 + A*T + B*T^2)
TI, Keithey, Honeywell.. same thing, perhaps slightly re-arranged.
IEC 751 standard!
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
With regard to Minco, nope!
GOTO
http://www.minco.com/tools/sensorcalc/rtd/default.aspx
Selecting element code PE Platinum 100 ohms at 0°C 0.00385 Nominal
IEC curve but looser tolerance (5-100):
Equation Type: Callendar Van-Dusen
Standard Values
A 0.0039083
B -5.775E-07
C -4.183E-12 ----*
And, at the top of the table, no matter what valid range you give, is:
Temperature Vs. Resistance
PLATINUM : PE TCR = 3.85e-3
R0 = 100
A = 0.0039083 B = -5.775E-07 C = -4.183E-12
This info was transfered via cut and paste.
I did not bother to look at your other "references", as Minco clearly
makes no indication like what you stated.
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Honeywell: NOPE! See page three of their PDF at
http://content.honeywell.com/sensing...log/c15_89.pdf
No indication of the buggered equation you gave; just the same
equation that Minco gives.
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Keithey: Found only info with regard to their equipment measuring
RTDs or have/use RTDs but NO INFO on RTD curves; I give that reference a
SORRY, no tuna tonight!
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TI: Similar lack of direct RTD data info, only instrumentation; I
also give that reference a SORRY, no tuna tonight!
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Sorry! Give direct references that all can see!