On 24 Sep, 12:27, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
Man at B&Q wrote:
On Sep 24, 8:35 am, harry wrote:
On 23 Sep, 20:35, "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:
On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 10:16:15 -0700 (PDT), harry wrote:
I have run heat and power systems. * There are lots of operational
problems, the main one being heat is not required in Summer
Yes one would need to have conventional cooling arrangements for the
times when the "2nd use" sink didn't want as much heat as one was
producing.
and it's often low quality heat eg warm water & not very useful.
Doesn't seem to be a problem for air or ground source heat pumps. The
technology exists to utilise low grade heat.
ISTR hearing about a rather extensive greenhouse system that took the
waste heat and CO2 from a power plant to grow tomatoes, ah here we
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The waste heat doesn't have to be used for heating homes/factories...
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Cheers
Dave.
But even they don't need heat in Summer. *You need some kind of
industrial process that runs 24/7/52. *Most of these need sources of
high grade heat.
Capital costs are immense. *99.99% of the time they can't be
justified.
It's possible to "turn heat into cold" for Summer cooling but the
process is very innefficient
Absolute efficiency is irrelevant.
The question is, is it equal to or more efficient than the alternative
way to make "cold" from the other available energy sources?
MBQ
One good way to sort all this out is to create heat banks - more or
less insulated underground masses that you can pump or store surplus
summer heat in, to be pumped out again in winter.
That's been done with some success.
One of the things you CAN store with relative ease is low grade heat..
the ground is eminently suitable for being used in that way.
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All been tried. The heat leaks away. It would need to be stored for
months to be useful.
What we actually need is some sort of technology to turn the heat into
something we can store.
I did see a project that stored heat as crystalisation energy. Also
called phase change technology.
But is went very quiet. I suspect it failed
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_Change_Material