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Jack Stein

zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 10:17:48 -0400, Jack Stein wrote:

zzzzzzzzzz wrote:

A socialist economy has room for small amounts of capitalism; a Communist
society does not allow ANY private economic transactions.
Close, though there are differing lines that can be drawn. Socialism
is an economic system where the state owns the means of production.
Under communism there is no private property, even yourself.
Close but socialism is an economic system where a strong, centralized
government *controls* the means of production, communism is the same
except they also *own* the means of production.
Not buying that distinction. Ownership == control.
Sounds good but not true.

It certainly is true.

For example, you can own a pool room and the
government can regulate and tax you to the point you have little or no
control. They can ban smoking for example, a perfectly legal activity.

Banning smoking is not an example of *no* control.

Having no authority to allow smoking is not an example of having control.

Smoking crack is also
illegal, BTW. This is a continuum. Yes, we are losing control of our lives,
but as we do we're also losing ownership of ourselves as government takes
over.

Yes, but controlling the means of production does not mean you own the
means of production.

You can own a car company, like I, and my pension fund owned GM at one
time. The government through regulation and taxing policy can control
how it is managed, or, you can have a communist ******* like Obama steal
it from you, and now the government both owns and controls it. Hitler
for example totally controlled the means of production in socialist NAZI
Germany, yet businesses were privately owned.

You no longer own Government Motors, so my point stands.

The obama regime owning GM is an example of communism, not simply
socialism, so my point also stands.

I do understand your point, and socialism and communism are so close to
the same thing it is not worth the argument, like peanut butter and
chunky peanut butter.

No, there is a difference, but mostly in magnitude.

Yes, like peanut butter and chunky peanut butter, there is a difference,
but they are both peanut butter. Communism and socialism are both
socialism, but communism is socialism with the chunks...

Anyway, every single last one of the 100 million killed by the red
*******s were killed by socialists, of that, there is no debate. I
guess there is a reason the color of socialism is red.

Socialism is as socialism does. There can be no exceptions.

Yes, socialism is an economic system by which a strong, centralized
government controls the means of production, communism is socialism that
also owns the means of production... History has clearly shown you don't
want the red *******s to get their jack boots on your neck, over 100
million in the past 100 years could attest to that simple fact except
the red fukkers already killed them....

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Jack
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http://jbstein.com