On Jun 6, 11:27*pm, Gordon Shumway wrote:
On Sun, 6 Jun 2010 13:29:40 -0700 (PDT), Ron
wrote:

Then perhaps you can explain to me while during the summer (expect at
night) when I turn on the cold water I get warm and then HOT water? I
have to let it run for over a minute just to get cool water. My
neighbors that don't had direct shade on their roofs from trees have
the same problem. A friend of mine that had his house re-plumbed (so
his pipes are now in his attic) has the *same* problem.

Let me try to explain this so even you could understand it.

OK, go for it smartass.

Let's assume the following temps to be true:
Wall temp ~80
Attic temp (daytime) ~120
Outside temp (daytime) ~80
Water Heater Temp ~140
Ground temp ~60

We aren't talking about "wall temps". We are talking about the temp
*inside* the walls, were EVERYTHING is the same temp, including the
COLD water pipes, as was stated in the OP that I questioned. "If the
house is air conditioned, it will cool off more". There were no
parameters given.

When cold water is first called for during the day you get 80 (From
the wall area pipes) then 120 (From the attic pipes) then 80 (from
the outside pipes) and finally 60 (from the ground pipes).

See how simple that was?

No **** Sherlock. Thanks for making my point.