GregS wrote
Rod Speed wrote
GregS wrote
Rod Speed wrote
GregS wrote
Lou Decruss wrote
(Doug Miller) wrote
spamtrap1888 wrote

Unless the cellar is deep underground, cellars still will be warmer in

summer and colder in winter.

Surely you don't mean what you wrote.

I was wondering about that myself. I also wonder
why someone would insist on a chest freezer.

MORE efficient.

Only trivially. The amount of air involved is trivial.

Nearly all the air drops out of an upright.

Yes, but thats very little mass, even with an empty freezer.

The thing is, air has little mass. Its the foods mass which stores
the absence of heat. But, if you keep opening the door, it matters.

Not really, because even with say 10 door openings, the mass of
air thats lost is trivial compared with the mass of whats in the freezer.

All I know are not self defrosting,

Plenty of upright freezers are too.

more efficiency,.

Thats a myth.

Wrong.

Nope.

The circulation fan is the main cause.

There isnt necessarily any circulation fan at all. None
of my upright freezers have any circulation fan at all.

And even with a fan, that uses very little energy.

I know by use.

You clearly dont.

The old refridgerators have less effect on partially closed containers.

Thats just the circulation of the air effect.

Plenty of upright freezers have no circulation fan, none of mine have one.

Its hard to seal a lot of them.

Its completely trivial to seal them all.

I think it may have somthing to do with the ziploc bags
in my freezer expanding. They all fill up with air over time,

Mine dont. I put the meat in the bags when the meat is wet
and the meat sticks to the plastic and they dont expand.

and I keep letting the air out. IS THIS MAGIC ??

Nope, just evidence that a ziplock isnt a perfect seal.

There are alternatives to ziplock bags.

Most of what i say about the refridgerator/freezer subject is from direct experiance.

But you dont understand the basics, or even that plenty of upright
freezers have no fans or self defrost either. None of mine have either.

Particularly if the freezer is in the kitchen and thats by
far the most convenient place to have it, a vertical freezer
is much more convenient to use and takes up less floor
space and is well worth the trivially lower efficence that
you get becaue the air falls out when you open the door.

The ideal system is a separate freezer and fridge in the kitchen,

Yes, that is what I have, but separate doors isnt that much worse
and has some advantages efficiency wise, two less external surfaces.

and also a walk in pantry.

I prefer a different approach myself, one wall covered with shelves.

Even very large pull out wheeled shelves a bit like books in a
bookshelf has some advantages too.

One TV show, Chef at Home, has these features with an otherwise
normal looking medium sized kitchen. Nice.

I dont care what it looks like, what I care about is how well it works.

I wish. At least I have 2 microwaves and
two turbo ovens and a regular oven, there.

Sounds like overkill.

Dry out and flavor, is my concern both refridgerator and freezer.

Yes, but thats trivially fixable. Just put the meat in plastic bags when
still wet so the plastic sticks to the meat, you dont get freezer burn.

Get proper containers for the other stuff, I use glass jars that marmalade, relish etc comes in.

Get decent a frost free fridge so there never is any frost forming on the
food and there is no heating of the food when auto defrosting either.

I have not run into any self defrosting unit without a fan.

I didnt say self defrosting without a fan. I JUST said no fan. There are plenty of those.

We are talking about self defrosting.

Nope. There is also frost free.