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Don Klipstein

In , zz wrote:
On 25 Apr 2010 06:22:47 +0 UTC, (Don Klipstein) wrote:

SNIP to this point

Not the water heater in any home owned by any homeowner I know,

Your electric water heaters didn't use electricity?

No, the natural gas water heaters in my home, my mother's home, my
divorced father's home, my boyfriends's mother's home, and in the home
of my only sibling living elsewhere from above, and in my church,
all of those water heaters that I know do not use electricity for water
heating.

Not most oven energy usage in the experience of my entire life,

You electric oven doesn't use electricity?

What? Have you not heard of natural gas ovens? Among myself and family
and close friends, I know of 5 gas ovens and 1 electric one.

And plasma TVs still only exist in a minority of homes even in mid-2010
due to high cost and after that high energy consumption per square foot of
screen area being second-worst second to CRT.

Ah, so they don't register on my electric bill?

So you are arguing on basis of choosing a TV of a kind that uses more
electricity than is used by most chosen by our fellow Americans?

(Or what was your argument here, since what I responded to having to do
with TV usage was snipped out?)

And it appears to me that electric heat pumps are disproportionately
used where electricity cost is below-average and/or where winters are
chilly to the particular extent where electric heat pumps are more
advantageous (as in requirement of major home heating while most of the
time during winter the outdoor temperature is low enough to require major
home heating but high/consistent enough to make an electric heat pump to
be the way to go, with consideration to local cost of electrical energy).

Well, duh! Figure that, heat pumps are used where heat pumps work.
BTW, they seem to be common in much of the US, now. They still *swamp*
my lighting bills. The heat pumps are easily half my highest bills
(about $100/mo in the coldest/warmest months).

Even there, the ROI on investing in energy-efficient lighting is usually
impressively good.

So keep heating your house this summer with
incandesants, and keep running that AC more to remove that heat your
incandesants enter in your home, just Keep a wastin and paying a
higher electric bill. Im laughing hard at this stupidity you two keep
posting.

Idiot. Light bulbs are *rarely* turned on in cooling season[*].

How about Philadelphia at 9 PM to 11 PM in most summer days? Or Memphis
or Houston or New Orleans for that matter?

My house isn't in Philadelphia, or Houston (but about 300 miles from NOLA).
Between 9:00 and 11:00 I doubt that I ever have a light on for more than five
minutes.

That sounds to me like you go to bed to sleep for the night by 9 PM.
It does appear to me that an American needing to have only one light in
the house to be on and only on for 5 minutes between 9 and 11 PM is even
more uncommon than an American household that can halve its electric bill
by replacing incandescents with CFLs.

Well, we leave the porch lights on (not candidates for CFLs, if I
did like them) if we're gone.

I know of some CFLs that are good for porch lights. The Philips SL/O,
or whatever they call them now and maybe now only available from Home
Depot in 15 watt wattage, do well. My mother uses those for porch lights,
and they usually last more than a year running all night every night and
through many days.

That time of year has more light, though I can understand that the
blind can't see that.

[*] and when they are, I want light *now*, not in fifteen minutes
because in fifteen minutes they'll have been off for at least ten.

Every CFL in my home is close to fully warmed up in 1 minute or less.

Lucky you. That certainly *wasn't* the case in my VT home. They took a good
fifteen minutes to come up to full light. Since I only wanted them on for
*maybe* two, they were a total loser.

Most of my home-use CFLs are almost fully warmed up in half a minute. My
bathroom is bright enough for me to use (or more-still) within 1 second
after I turn the switch on - when I dare. (At times I find the need to
take a leak when the fractional-watt LED nightlight there gives me all the
light I want and then-some.)

That's I use. Yes, I do like LED nightlights. I don't much care about the
lousy color when all I want to do is save my toe, and the cat. We have
several around the house.

Also, do you believe that most people go to bed for the night as soon as
it gets dark even during cooling season? Especially at lower latitudes
where cooling needs are greater, sunset time varies less with time of
year, and where USA has population shift towards? Such as in/near Houston
or Phoenix?

We weren't talking about everyone. No I don't go to bed when it gets dark,
but that's generally the time we relax in front of the 500W plasma
television. It gives off enough light.

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- Don Klipstein )