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Why do women need more reproductive rights than men?


Because they have more to lose when reproduction occurs than men do. All a
man may contribute to producing is a teaspoon of semen while women have to
carry a baby inside them for 9 months, and that's a lot of hassle. I think
that alone gives them a bigger stake in the game.


The woman carries a baby inside for 9 months but the man pays child support
for 18+ years. Does the woman have a choice to opt out of being a parent?
Yes! Does the man have an equivalent choice? No! Does the baby, the only
innocent party, that was conceived by no act of it's own have any right to
life? Not according to some. Do you care to be fair? Add a law that any
man not wanting to have a child after getting a woman pregnant, can pay the
cost of an abortion and not be held responsible in any way for that child.
For the price of an abortion a man should be as free from the
responsibilities of being a parent as a woman can.


My view is that the woman has more rights at the beginning when she has
to carry the baby but after that it's a fifty fifty deal. Both parties
are equally responsible for their child. I do agree that it isn't fair
that if the woman doesn't want to have the child she gets what she wants
but if the man doesn't want he child it's still her decision. That's not
fair but I don't know how you would make it fair.



Also, I'm not talking
about taking away their rights, just taking away the taxpayer having to
pay
for their right to be careless sexually.


You're assuming that anyone wanting an abortion was sexually careless.
That may not be the case. Also, women have reproductive rights but if they
are too poor to exercise them then they don't really have the right.
Meaning only people with money have the right. The government has
backstopped women so they all get the right.


If a man is too poor to pay child support, are you equally concerned with
his rights?


Yep. Plenty of times guys get screwed by the women who make them pay
through the nose for the kids and then the woman winds up with the money
for herself when it's really supposed to be for child support. But the
truth is most men are cheapskates when it comes to paying for their kids
if the marriage fails. Most never pay what they should for their kids
and that leaves many kids to grow up both poor and without a father.
That's not fair either.


With the complexity of the
Healthcare bill, why the hurry to get it passed, why not be more
concerned
to get it right than get it passes?


It took a year to pass the bill, which is a long time. Especially when you
consider we already debated the issue in 1993. The choice has been there
for decades. It was just a matter of the political strength to pass it.
Democrats finally had the power to do it and that is why they pushed it
through. Besides, saying what's the hurry was just a phony argument made
by the republicans to try to stop it. It was not done in a hurry.


I would hope it would be a good enough bill that the majority would want it,
not requiring political strength. After all, after it is law the people are
stuck with it, the politicans will have much better insurance and benefits.


Politicians are members of the elite of society. As such they will
always have it better than most of us. So do the rich. It's a two tiered
world where the rich and elite get everything and the regular Joe gets
the left overs. Welcome to life on earth.


All we need are more bad laws we can't
change.


Bad laws are something we don't want to have, for sure. But despite what
you may have heard all laws can be changed including this one. It will be
changed too but the main thing is the power of the insurance companies has
been blunted and it may finally come to being controlled. That is a big
improvement.


Yes that is, people at work was talking about sometimes they can buy
medicines themselves for less money that the co-pays on their insurance.
The insurance companies have their "Networks" where the doctors mark stuff
up 25% and give them a 15% discount and they think they are saving money.
They hastle, negotiate, and otherwise are slow paying the bills, so the
doctors all know to charge extra to the insurance so they get the money they
want plus extra for the insurance companies BS.


If you are a regular Joe they get you coming and going. The best you can
do is try to find leaders to help you that are honest and will actually
represent your wants and needs. That's not easy. But it's up to you as
an individual to do the work to make it so you aren't a completely easy
mark for the sharks.


Like if someone is stealing your stuff on your property, they can
sue you if they get hurt in the process, I don't understand how any law
like
that can stand but it does.



You don't understand the law. There is no penal code in those cases that's
broken. It's a civil matter where one citizen sues another and it's called
a tort. Only if the thief can make a compelling case that something the
property owner did caused damage to him can he win money. Stealing is a
public wrong, a crime. If a man is in the process of committing a crime
and he gets injured he may, and that is not certain. He may be able to win
a lawsuit against the property owner. But he must prove something the
property owner did caused his harm. That's not easy to do. Most people on
a jury don't like to reward thieves any more than you do but on rare
occasions they will. It's the difference between a public wrong and a
private one.

Hawke


I guess that's how it is but I don't think I should be obligated to make my
home safe for robbers. I have a well next to the driveway, if someone is
here to rob me and they fall in, I'll throw them a rope! Hope they don't
mind the anchor on the other end! Anyway Hawke, we may disagree on many
things but at least you seem to be reasonable and that's is good in my
opinion.

RogerN



Let me tell you, the number of times a thief can sue and win when he's
committing a crime is so rare you wouldn't believe it. It makes
headlines but almost never can a guy rob you and still have a case to
sue you. That's why it's news when it happens. I wouldn't worry about
being sued by any robbers if I was you. Unless you are setting up man
traps for people when you leave your home. That would be a different
story. As for disagreeing with you don't feel like you're alone.
Sometimes I even disagree with my own mother. I like debating issues
with people not bickering. I know we have things we don't agree on but
I'm sure there are plenty of things we do agree on too. As long as we
can have a good interchange of ideas even when we disagree then that is
a good thing in my book. Take care.

Hawke