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On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 05:42:34 -0700, "Jon Danniken"
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You have it right. COČ goes up, so if something happens and
that wood stove malfunctions you will get the warning.
No, but CO2 is heavier than air (goes down), while CO is lighter than air
(goes up). This assumes no wind currents, of course.
Jon
You are totally right. I ment to write CO not COČ It is CO I
worry about most. It would take a rather unususal set of conditions to
build up a serious amount of COČ
Depends what "serious" means.
CO2 is the natural product of complete combustion of virtually any fuel,
except for mebbe hydrogen, whose only product is H2O, ergo it's
attractiveness as a fuel.
CO is the dreaded product of incomplete combustion.
In an enclosed room, you can get pretty high concentrations of CO2 from,
say, a gas stove.
It's just that CO2 is not itself very toxic, save for perhaps the
displacement of O2.
Human performance does suffer, however, as CO2 builds up.
Altho gas stoves are frowned upon as a method of room heating, millions
proly do it, and I did it for years. Yer windows sure do fog up....
Which points to the fact of how cleanly most stoves burn natural gas.
Not to mention "ventless" gas heaters (which bowls me over that these are
allowed), but which also supports the low CO risk of natural gas.
Having said that, ventless gas heaters are absolutely awful, imo.
Used two in a shop, couldn't stand them. The heat was *great*
(radiant-style), but the air quality was horrific -- proly no CO, but
whatever it was, it was awful.
And the water vapor was just prodigious, bad bad bad for a shop or a house.
Don't know why radiant gas heaters seem so much more miserable than a gas
stove -- mebbe it has sumpn to do with the ceramic....
No doubt tho, that if heating with a stove or ventless gas heater, a CO
detector is a good hedge, for peace of mind at the least.
Not saying they aren't a good idea anyway, I just object to the effing scare
tactics, and that before effing CO detectors, proly more people died from
lightning strikes than from household CO poisoning.
I'm sure Trader4 will jump -- mebbe even pull his thumb out of his ass -- at
the chance to prove this wrong.
AND, whether or not CO detectors are a good idea, the foisting of them on us
by mandate, law, whatever is not Not NOT because anyone gives a flying ****
about your or my well-being. It's just another big-bidness-municipal
income-producing opportunity, with some yapping lip-service about the Pubic
Good.
Same with seat belts/helmet laws -- the REAL motive behind seat belts et al
is their utility in penalty-based revenue raising.
ALTHO.....
Truth be told, my CO detector shot up like crazy when I would bring the car
into the basement garage.... wow..... Took a while for it to go down!
I think attached garages proly pose the greatest risk, and that would be
solved by just mandating them to be detached, which is proly a good idea
from several povs.
Funny, tho, a car brought into a basement garage can in fact heat the whole
house!! Huge mc delta T, for the chemically-inclined.
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