On Mar 24, 7:26*pm, "RogerN" wrote:
"rangerssuck" wrote in message

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On Mar 24, 6:46 am, "RogerN" wrote:



"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message

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On Mar 22, 5:03 pm, Gunner Asch wrote:

On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:40:05 -0500, Ignoramus7894

wrote:
My own opinion, which is worth what you pay for it, it that this
legislative victory is also a political victory for Democrats, for two
reasons.

1. This is a more minor reason, but passage of this law removes the
factor of annoyance about uncertainty in the minds of voters and also
shows that Democrats are capable of accomplishing a large legislative
change. Just because the uncertainty is over, causes some relief in
the minds of voters and that is a favorable factor.

More briefly, now we cannot say that "Obama administration
accomplished nothing".

2. There is a large constituency of people, like parents of young
adults lacking coverage, people with substandard health insurance
policies, and so on, who would eventually realize the benefits of this
change. When they do, they will, presumably, support its
sponsors.

Also, people like me, who have health insurance, but realize that they
would likely lose it when they *really* need it, would also be
favorably inclined towards it.

3. The people negatively affected are those young healthy well paid
people who have to shoulder some of the costs. While some of them
might realize that one day they may become old and unhealthy and not
so well paid, even if they do not, extra taxes will be a drop in the
bucket and not a hot button issue like gun control.

The healthcare reform has every potential of becoming a sacred
political cow, like Medicare, and create a pro-Democrat constituency
where none previously existed.

Aside from elections, here's one more point that I want to make.

4. As Warren Buffett pointed out, our health care costs are 14-16% of
GDP and are much higher than for other industrialized nations, which
badly affects our competitive standing. The healthcare law has some
chances of reducing that percentage.

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Oh hell yes.

And then those that are forced to buy insurance will simply kill
Leftwing Extremists that have been unconstitutionaly driven to force
others to pay for someone elses insurance.

But hey...Leftwingers are going to be killed in hummm about 2 yrs, give
or take a little bit..so its a moot issue.

"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
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/Are you saying that President Obama is going to be killed within 2
/years?
/
/Have you presented your evidence to the Secret Service?
/
/They would be very interested in knowing that you have guns too.
/
/TMT

I was hoping he would be assassinated before signing the Planned
Parenthood
health care abortion bill. But according to the good book, liberals would
prevail, check, homosexuality would be rampant, check, and in the end God
will come back and put them all in their place, hell, though his arms are
open and willing to accept whoever repents and comes to him.

RogerN

/
/Still waiting for you to point out the exact wording in the bill that
/funds abortions.

If you want the exact wording feel free to read the ~3000 page bill
yourself, I got my info from lawyers and both Republicans and Democrats.
Why do you suppose it is that pro-life Democrats opposed this bill until
Obama bought their votes?

Taxpayers will be required to pay for healthcare insurance. *The healthcare
insurance will include reproductive coverage. *Reproductive coverage will
include abortions.

"The individual mandate - forcing Americans to purchase health insurance
under penalty of law - violates the Commerce Clause of the U.S.
Constitution. *Most Americans do not want this plan. *That includes millions
of pro-life Americans who don't want to be forced to purchase a health care
package that funds abortion."

http://www.aclj.org/media/pdf/Health...ortionMemo.pdf

Pro-life Democrats didn't want to sign the bill because of the abortion
coverage. *Stupak wanted language included that excluded taxpayer dollars to
be used for abortions, Planned Parenthood said it was unacceptable. *Stupak
didn't get his amendment included. *Planned Parenthood posted on their
website "Victory" because the healthcare bill got passed and didn't exclude
funding abortions with taxpayer money.

RogerN

So, all you can do is cite someone else's rhetoric about the bill, but
you are unable to point to a single paragraph, sentence, phrase or
even a single word in the bill that justifies your hateful thoughts.

Thank goodness you're such a free thinker.