On 3/21/2010 11:28 AM, Han wrote:
Mark& wrote in
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Han wrote:

Mark& wrote in news:rOCdnfBjI7-
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To use this kind of trick to attempt to take over 1/6 of the US
economy is nothing short of stalinist and dictatorial.

You and I are paying for the indigent medical care now already.
Better to get some rules that will prevent personal bankruptcy and/or
death and exhibit some compassion for the less fortunate than this
idea of everyone for themselves AND let the other guy rot.


... granting for the moment, the 30 Million people uninsured number
(it's
not correct as it includes illegals and those who, by choice, are
uninsured), how on earth does finding insurance for less than 10% of
the US population justify nationalizing 1/6 of the economy, destroying
a system with which most people are satisfied, and setting us on a
road to inferior, rationed, health care as the program spending
spirals out of control? Why does it take a 3000 page bill to insure
30 million people? This bill is not about health care, it is about
complete, absolute control over peoples' lives. This is a bill that
has "effectiveness panels" -- i.e., it's going to have people like
those at the department of motor vehicles deciding what treatments are
effective and affordable, and when you should "just take the pain
pill". There are things in this bill that have nothing to do with
health care -- at one time it was going to regulate food vending
machines (don't know if that is still there or not).



There ought to be a better way than democracy ...


We don't have a democracy, we have a representative republic.
However,
that statement above is still truly frightening. i.e., you are
willing to surrender your personal freedoms to someone who claims to
know better than you what is in your best interests. You are free to
feel that way, but if you do, go find a country that is governed that
way and live there, don't try to force that enslavement on the rest of
us.

I don't think you will ever get it, Mark& Juanita. You are now paying
for their healthcare at emergency room rates. Get them a living wage
job, and have them pay for their own health care.


Your idea that this bill is forcing people to do anything is absurd.

So what do you believe that legislation that says "buy insurance or pay
a fine" is intended to accomplish if it is not to force people to
purchase insurance?

They'll get the choice of insurance and even no insurance.

Well, we all have the choice of obeying or violating the law, however
the only way under the bill before the Congress that one will be able to
opt for "no insurance" is to be willing to commit an unlawful act.

But since
someone needs to pay for emergency care, even if they don't, fine them if
they don't get some coverage.

I see. So being ordered to do something under pain of confiscation of
your personal property is not "forcing".

That is choice.

Yes, the choice of obeying or being a criminal.

And yes, I do believe
that people should pay taxes, and this is indeed another tax of sorts.

No, it isn't a tax. When the government says "buy this product or else"
it is not a "tax". How would you like if it they said "buy a car or
else" or "buy a television or else" or "buy Windows or else"? The
principle is the same.

I
would like individual responsibility, but "they" should not have to pay
triply inflated proces just because they don't work for Harvard
University or GM.

Who is this "they"?