On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 07:10:35 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
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On Mar 19, 1:21*am, mm wrote:
On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 21:24:06 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:
On Mar 18, 5:25*pm, wrote:
On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 14:20:08 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:
On Mar 18, 7:41*am, wrote:
On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 07:36:05 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:
Really OT but on subject of press 'buying into stories'. *Balloon Boy
is a fine example. *They bought the story of the kid being in there
and that went on for hours and hours. *Not once, not nobody, even
mentioned that had the kid been in there he was dead. *You cannot
breath a helium atmosphere and live.
I don't recall that anyone ever reported that he was inside the helium
filled envelope. There was a small "box" on the underside.
Only one of the kids at the beginning, daddy and mommy a couple
times. *The original 911 call was 'kid in the baloon'
No, there was no 'box' attached. *There was one unconfirmed report
that someone had "seen" one but Daddy never confirmed nor denied that
there was one. *There was also the report that someone had seen the
kid fall out of the thing. *Also uncofirmed and proven false.
At the end, when they found the baloon, therewas no "box" attached.
Harry K
The balloon, complete with box was shown repeatedly on television. It
was never alleged by anybody that the kid was in the envelope. He had
supposedly been yelled at previously for playing inside the box under
the balloon.
Oh, look!
http://images.smh.com.au/2009/10/16/...boy-presser-42...
...and here's a picture of the balloon as it landed, with the box
still attached to the bottom:
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Better look again. *That is not a "box", it is part of the balloon.
It's covered in mylar like the balloon is, or is made of, but it's
definitely a box.
News reports all day were full of "in" the baloon and you must have
missed the shots of the cops frantically slashing at it looking for
the kid.
If they slashed the balloon itself it's because he wasn't in the box
when they thought he was so they were looking everywhere. *In a hot
air balloon, one can crawl into the balloon part, especially when the
flame is off or after it lands. *
The "box" report was of someone sayting the saw a 'box' or 'car'
_suspended_ from the baloon.
There are always two usages of "in the balloon". *One considers the
entire contraption the balloon and "in the balloon" *means in the
basket under the balloon. * That's what the meaning is here.
The other refers to the part that holds the hot air, in a hot air
balloon. *And in a helium balloon, it refers to the rubber or mylar
balloon, and no one goes into that. *It's entrance is probably less
than an inch wide. Even for a 6'foot diameter balloon or bigger the
opening is only an inch or less. *But the cops were desperate and
maybe there were multiple rubber balloons and they thought it
possibley he could have slid in between two of them. * Are they
supposed to look only in the basket and then say, "I guess he's not
here."
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You can deny it being part of the baloon all you want. It won't
change the facts. That is standard baloon construction method.
I'm not sure if yuou're disagreeing with me or not, especially after
reading your reply to my other post.
If standard balloon construction means that the box is part of the
balloon, that's fine, and that's what I said, that one meaning of
balloon is the whole contraption. So even if someone is in the basket,
he's still said to be in the balloon, even though no one thinks he is
the chamber with the helium or hot air.
Here it's not so much what terminology balloon makers use but what the
reporter used, or what the cop used.
Compare it with almost any picture of a baloon.
My image of a balloon is a big gas bag with a wicker basket hanging
from it, held by ropes, with a fire device in the middle of the
basket, heating the air inside the balloon. I used balloon in two
different ways in the previous sentence. As I said, "ballooon" can be
used two ways, the big gas bag or the whole contraption.
Then there was the Hindenberg, which had many large balloons in a
frame, with a passenger compartment underneath. I don't think the
Hindenberg was called a balloon, but that was probably for advertising
reasons. The same reason it was named a dirigible, directable,
something whose direction was under control, to separate it from a
balloon that wanders almost aimlessly at the whim of the winds. But a
dirigible is just one form of balloon.
You can also do some
searching on the 'net for a summary of the action that day and yu will
find that there is no 'box'
There was a chamber intended for instruments that had no helium in it.
Whether they used the word box or not, that's what I mean.
Harry K