On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 06:35:38 -0600, Jim Yanik wrote:

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On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 07:34:41 -0600, Jim Yanik
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growing and producing a product for sale that's KNOWN to be
addictive,toxic and polluting is not immoral? Tobacco has no good
use.

Again, your opinion. People pay good money for it so it does have
good use, by definition.

False logic.you wrongly ASSume it's a "good" use.

Wrong. It is a "good" use because it was "good" for the people in
the transaction. It's not illegal, and is only "immoral" in your
mind. The morality of "tobacco", which is just silly, has nothing to
do with it. You're the one making the judgment, which is fine FOR
YOU but has nothing to do with anyone else. IOW, you're just as bad
as the leftist statists you rail about.

Now,in addition to the secondhand smoke problem....
People who smoke are overwhelmingly LITTERBUGS;

Some people are immoral, that isn't to be denied.

they toss their cig butts all over the place,along with the rest
of their smoking trash like disposable lighters,wrappers and
empty cig packs.

I see a lot of beer and soda cans around, too.

Irrelevant. one wrong does not make another 'right'.

Not irrelevant. Why aren't you supporting a ban on everything

"everything"??? hyperbole. a sign your argument is weak.
that
people discard or may have discarded illegally? The truth is,
you're just another statist.

it harms people,and there's NO good use of the crap.

Water harms people. Better ban swimming. Again, YOU are making a
value judgment and wanting to force others to walk lockstep with
your values. IOW you're nothing better than the lousy statist you
hate.

and you certainly do not see cans in the quantities that cig butts
are found by the roadsides.

By volume?

check with any wastewater treatment plant.(I had a tour of one)

If you can't move the ball, move the goal posts a little further.
Typical statist argument.

The scumbags empty their ashtrays in parking lots.
Now,some fool is going to say that it's only a few bad ones who
toss their cig trash,but the vast amount of evidence alongside
our roads and outside building entrances says otherwise.

Not to mention fast food wrappers and a whole host of other
things. Let's shut 'em all down!
In that example,it clearly is not the MAJORITY of fast food
consumers that toss their trash improperly,as is the case with
smokers. Cig butts are a major problem for wastewater treatment
plants.

You've shown no evidence that the MAJORITY of smokers toss their
butts improperly.

The evidence lies alongside most any roadway or street,and at
wastewater treatment plants.Or wait outside any office where the
smokers stand around outside the entrances and flick their butts
away after they're done. the parking lots where smokers empty their
ashtrays.You have to be willfully BLIND to not see it.

No, it's you who made the claim (MOST smokers...). Prove it.

I did,you just refuse to see it.It's everywhere,IF you care to look.

You're a LIAR. You provided nothing more than a restatement of your
position. That is hardly proof.

It's like trying to prove to you there's light.

Liar. You made a statement of fact. It's up to you to prove it.

willfully BLIND.

Indescribably stupid.

more namecalling;the sure sign of a lost argument.

Fact. I can't help it if you *are* what you hate.



They also start fires.

So does lightning. Let's ban that too.

Use some common sense,will ya? The sort of statements you posted
here makes you appear to be stupid.
Lightning is a NATURAL phenomenon.

As far right as you are, I'm just pointing out your statist
beliefs. There is nothing that separates you, ideologically, from
the Obaminables.


Uh,yeah,there is. "reasonable" is the key.

No, it's clear that you're one of them, just in a different color
shirt.

Ooh,"statist,statist"...Nyah,nyah....

I would have said nothing here, except to call out your *OBVIOUS*
hypocrisy. It is nice to see that you admit to being a statist. That
is a revelation.


its obvious you refuse to see the evidence all around you.
Willful blindness. THAT is the "revelation".

No, it's called liberty. I still like it. You have obviously gone to the
dark side.