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On Feb 22, 8:02*pm, "Buerste" wrote:
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"Joseph Gwinn" wrote in message
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The "settled science" of Global Warming has become unsettled.


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB2000...07774168722660
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The Wall Street Journal, 22 February 2010.


Joe Gwinn


Think a bit about what this means. Everyone knows the UN is a political
not a scientific organization. The compiled UN report of several
thousand pages has been subjected to most intense scrutiny that could be
bought by OPEC and the coal, oil, gas industries, yet they have found
less than a handful of errors or exaggerations. *They have found nothing
wrong with the hundreds of other remaining conclusions. *The few errors
have to do with specific effects of climate change in certain areas.
None have to do with the fundamental conclusion that CO2 from fossil
fuel is significantly warming the Earth.


Of course their have been many thousands of invalid, easily-rebutted
criticisms spread by all sorts of bloggers and paid lobbyists. *The lack
of weight in these argurments becomes apparent by contrast when you see
the effect in the media of a single valid criticism. *As I have
mentioned before, we are seeing the results of an organized F.U.D.
marketing campaign. F.U.D. (Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt) is a well-worn
negative marketing technique used when your product is inferior in
nearly every way to your competitors. The idea is to spread so much
negative innuendo, rumors, half truths and lies about the competing
product along with the few true weaknesses *that your competitor has to
spend all his energy and time defending himself, but still it is
impossible to remove doubt in the mind of the customer after such an
onslaught. *Of course the truth becomes plainly obvious eventually, but
this strategy allows the perpetrators to extract the maximum profit from
their current product. Most scientists (even the technocrats at the UN)
are not professional lobbyists and do not know how to respond to such an
organized attack.


The Wall Street Journal used to be a responsible voice of conservatism
until it was bought by Rupert Murdoch (with a Saudi prince as second
largest share holder).


But, there is not one shred of proof that CO2 from fossil fuel is
significantly warming the Earth, just theory and conjecture by those that
will profit immensely from it. *Yet you condemn the energy producers and
don't hold the alarmists to the same standards. *And, there's been no
warming in 15 years, according to your scientists. *So, everything that
you say is so obviously biased and jaded that you can't be taken
seriously.


This is just the sort of F.U.D. garbage I was talking about. *"not one
shred of proof"? *Do you really believe if that were true there would be
all this bru-ha-ha? *There is proof from isotope measurements that most of
the increase in CO2 this century has been from fossil fuel. *Forget about
what the models predict, it is possible if you know physics to calculate
from first principles the general amount of heating (see
http://www.hfranzen.org/Global_Warming.pdf*p.10 to 52). *Not one of the
AGW deniers have shown why the models and calculations are completely
wrong.


Suppose astronomers tell you they observed the position and velocity of an
asteroid, and they used Newton's laws to predict the asteriod will hit
earth. No one has shown that calculation to be incorrect, and more than
90% of astronomers agree. Would you think something should be done or
would you say forget about it, *its a big conspiracy to get grant money?
Accusing an entire scientific field of conspiracy demands some solid
scientific evidence which should be easy to obtain if it were true.


As for the lack of recent temperature increase, here is the graph in
question:
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.A2.lrg.gif
Do you believe the slight flattening of the curve in recent years is
statistically significant?


As I said, but let me amend, not one shred of CREDIBLE proof. *You alarmists
have been caught in so many lies and destroyed so much data that you have no
credibility. *My opinion means nothing, the rest of the world has rejected
your theories and there are plenty of scientists that don't agree with you.

I say take all the money put into the AGW fantasy and put it into asteroid
defense, a much, much wiser use of the money as big asteroids WILL hit the
Earth and are in fact overdue. *Let's not mention the upcoming magnetic pole
shift that is WAY overdue...have you figured out how to profit from that
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Or maybe you are just too stupid to understand the science.

You can't even find a job for Gunner.

Laugh..laugh...laugh...

TMT