Kurt Ullman wrote:
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bud-- wrote:

The earth has been warming constantly since the last ice
age and to say what if anything man is doing is simply
ridicoulis....
Data shows warming has increased starting about the industrial age and
is accelerating. To say anything else is to ignore the data.

There is some interesting stuff indicating that what you use as a
baseline makes a BIG difference. Most a time when we were in a "mini
ice age", with temps lower than usual so the increase is greater. Go
back 100 years further and the changes aren't as much.

Some data, like CO2 in the atmosphere, is available for thousands of years.

Temperature data shows increase since the industrial revolution with the
increase accelerating. It doesn't take a lot of degrees of change to
produce some disastrous results. Those results, like melting of the
Greenland ice sheet, are also apparent. Temperature increase correlates
with CO2 increase.

Environuts are sometimes called Watermelons...Green on the
outside and RED on the inside...LOL...
The discredit the scientists ploy.

Well it works so well for the Climate Change group. You will note
that the term of art for those who dare to suggest that Global Warming
may not be man made is now "denier". The same term used to describe
those who doubt the Holocaust. I don't see that as a coincidence.

Likely from the media, not scientists.

There is widespread consensus, based on observed data, from scientists
over many disciplines that dangerous global warming is taking place. It
is endorsed by many scientific organizations and many governments have
been convinced. Apparently all of them are "red". Hard to remember, but
isn't Bush II one of them.

At a similar point in the development of the science, the widespread
consensus, based on observed data, from scientists over many disciplines
was that the world was flat.

How devastating.

Educated people knew the earth was round before Columbus, when there was
not a lot of 'science'. Aristotle knew the earth was round. Who are your
'scientists' and what were their disciplines? The general public may not
have adopted the idea for a while, just like global warming.

Science is, properly, somewhat resistant to change. Global warming has
been accepted by the vast majority of scientists with expertise in
related fields, and has been accepted over quite a short time. That is
because the results from multiple fields came to the same conclusion.

Similarly, governments have been convinced. The Koyoto Protocol has been
ratified by 187 countries, including all the developed industrial
nations except the US. The United Nations Climate Change Conference in
Copenhagen attracted 110 world leaders plus other representatives. The
US military also takes climate change seriously.

Bush II said global warming is a serious problem and he wanted to reduce
greenhouse gases.

People in the US are less convinced than the rest of the world that
global warming is a problem. But people in the US are also far less
convinced of evolution - probably a lot of the same people.

In this thread are people that
- don't understand the difference between global warming and climate
- don't understand the difference between climate and weather
- don't understand that some data is available for thousands of years
- think global warming is a 'red' plot (probably just like evolution).

I will follow the consensus of scientists who have actually studied
global warming.

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bud--