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On Feb 11, 2:39 am, Sansui Samari wrote:
SS I cobbed a bunch of lindstrom cutters and pliers
SS from a place I worked at years ago. They were
SS going belly up and tossed out boxes of the things.
SS I'm still using the few that I haven't given away
SS or broken. As long as you don't use them to cut
SS steal (hence the broken cutters) they are
SS awesome. I wish I would have grabbed more.

G Were they going belly up because of
G buying only the finest, or despite of that?
G
G At the liquidation sales for some bankrupt
G companies, sometimes I have seen hard,
G tangeable evidence of WHY they went broke.

lifeimitateslife wrote:
lil I think you assign "hard and tangible" to
lil others when it can be assigned to you.
lil Hard and tangible evidence that your
lil statistical analysis prowess ain't that great.
lil
lil If the difference between buying $600
lil worth of cheap **** tools or $5000
lil worth of long lasting, high quality tools
lil is a figure that you think could break
lil just about any company, snip

G Are you saying that the outfit that
G Sansui Samurai described as having
G gone belly up did the right thing by
G buying $5000 worth of Rolls Royce
G hand tools rather than the Xcelite
G ones which would have cost $600?

lil No. I am saying that your claim that it is any indication of a
lil causation for having gone bankrupt, is a fallacy, and it is.

That you disagree does not make something a logical fallacy.

Wasteful overspending and overcommitment
in purchasing are common contributors to
business failure. The number one cause of
failure for small business is undercapitalization
or excessive cost of money. ie Cost controls.

The stuff that "belly up" companies throw away
or liquidate MAY VERY WELL reveal important
symptoms of problems that destroyed them.

Like most people here I enjoy and appreciate
truly good quality tools, FOR ME.

As others have mentioned, theftability, loss
and abuse CAN MEAN that the Xcelite tools
provide a better Return On Investment.

The nature of the work, the security of
individuals toolboxes, the number of people
who might potentially forget to return a
tool are all variables that could decide
whether the ROLLS ROYCE quality of
nippers are a good or bad idea.

Fluorescent light bulbs at $ 4 a shot are
great if your mortgage is totally paid off.
If you're selling your home next week
or if you're a landlord the ROI's not there.

Businesses OWNING their own facilities
sometimes find that they are better off to
sell their own building and rent it back
because they can't charge off any building
cost if they OWN the building.

I neither condone this nor like it, I just report it.

I LOVE well machined high quality tools
and craftsmanship, but it doesn't always
show up on the P&L sheet. I wish it did.

You seem to be applying personal taste
to profitability rationalizations.

That's partly why "bean counters" are
so widely disliked, isn't it?

My background is in small businesses
where you wear many hats and can't
blame "that other guy".

G Were they going belly up because of
G buying only the finest, or despite of that?
G
G Didn't I convey two alternatives there?
G
G That the outfit failed:
G A. BECAUSE they buy "only the finest" or
G B. DESPITE buying "only the finest"?
G
G It's like option A set you off so much that
G you overlooked option B.

Did you miss option B, lil ?

G Judging from the way you took it very
G personally, I'm guessing that you worked
G somewhere where you groused about
G the **** Xcelite nippers all day long....

G How is that different from the
G MacIntosh kooks?

I wrote this BEFORE I read your posted
story about exploding at a new guy for
using your tools. Did somebody at the
company give him permission to do so?

Telling the new guy to use your toolbox
would seem to be fairly typical hazing or
office politics considering your reaction.