Rich Webb wrote on Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:50:24 -0500:
On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:05:16 -0600, BillW50 wrote:

Rich Webb wrote on Tue, 19 Jan 2010 09:22:13 -0500:
All religion is superstitious nonsense. It's a tautology.
Sadly the same can be said of science as well.

Science is implicitly empirical, or "sensory," whereas religions are,
by
definition, "non-sensory," at least until the Archangel Michael shows
up
on the Larry King show to argue about the Super Bowl. Thus, nonsense.

I have no problems what is often said against religion. But I do have a
problem when somehow science is supposedly any better. In many ways, I
find it much worse.

Unlike to popular belief,
science never proves anything. All it provides is theories. And in
time,
theories which is often replaced by other theories. And the cycles
repeats itself while never ending. And I find science as the broken
promise and is simply a failure.

Unless you're living in the bush and scavenging carrion for dinner,
you've been depending on science for your livelihood and health, so
it's
hardly a failure. Nor is science's self-critical, self-correcting
nature a weakness.

You mean like increased cancer rates, increased diabetic rates, most of
the world is dying from starvation, etc.? And every month, there is a
new ad on TV saying if you have taken so and so drug, call our lawyers
office for a class action lawsuit. It is becoming more and more clear,
taking drugs (chemicals) can be very dangerous to your health. And this
is supposed to be helpful? And it seems like the goal of doctors is to
put paitents on as many drugs as they can. And strangely enough, the
ones who pushes the most gets kickbacks from the drug companies.

Also People have been living to 80's and 90's for thousands of years.
The claim that science is helping people live longer isn't really true,
now is it? Sure, some people maybe living now do to science who would be
dead otherwise. But the opposite is also true. Some are dead today do to
medical science who would be alive today if nothing was done.

And what about this global warming stuff? NASA reports that all of the
planets in the solar system is warming up. So how is man made pollution
causing the other planets to warm up? And why is most of the planet
actually is getting cooler? Science isn't adding up at all. Plain common
sense says something is wrong! Yet nobody sees the red flags popping up.
Why is that?

And what is claimed as science isn't really science at all.

So, what is it that would be "really science?"

A true peer reviewed science would be a great start. What we have now is
nothing but a big joke. People who know better can't challenge any of
it. As only a very small group of people control it all. And if you are
in that small group, you must play ball or you are out. And if you speak
the truth, you lose all of your funding and become an outcase. It is
really a sick system if you ask me.

As old beliefs prevents true science from emerging.

"True science" being ... gastromancy? ololygmancy?

Also if there is no money
in it, those things are not researched.

See "Adam Smith" also "capitalism," or "the worst economic system,
except for all of the others." Not a perfect system, by any measure, but
burning bushes with better insight are scarce.

The whole world economic system is headed for a total collapse. It is a
terrible system. Those that has worked hard all of their lives are
headed to lose everything they worked hard for. And this is a good thing?

That is very poor science as
there are lots of things that could be learned that isn't.

I will admit of some curiosity here. What may some of these things be?

Here is how science (or the truth in time) works.

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second,
it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. --
Arthur Schopenhauer -- German philosopher (1788 - 1860)

Now history shows this is indeed correct. Now wouldn't it make more
sense to checkout anything that is ridiculed or violently opposed,
instead of automatically discounting it? Thus we wouldn't have to go for
decades or hundreds of years in ignorance? Now doesn't that make a lot
more sense?

Thus sad to say, science and religion has a lot in common actually.

No, not really.

Both systems are based on beliefs. Neither proves anything. Worse,
science pretends it doesn't do so. Which means that science is the great
pretender and religion doesn't pretend what it is about. But it doesn't
mean I agree with religion either. And I see science as just another
religion that pretends to be not one.

--
Bill
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