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On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:58:25 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex"
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On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 16:05:13 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex"
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On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:27:09 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex"
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On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 09:47:00 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex"
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On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 10:03:21 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex"
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Oppie wrote:
"Jim Thompson"
/Snicker
wrote in message
...
Important Health Care Announcement...

Mayo Clinic (Glendale, AZ) announced today that they will
no longer accept future Medicare patients, etc...

http://industry.bnet.com/healthcare/...care-payments/

...Jim Thompson

Was listening to the radio today. I think that it was the
substitute for Rush Limbaugh...
They mentioned the Amish communities that put aside a cash
reserve for health care. When someone needs medical care
(at a hospital), they negotiate a cash price rate. This
rate is substantially lower than the normal insurance rate.

What does this say about another layer of middlemen and
bureaucrats that would only further raise the costs of care
when government gets involved?

That it can negotiate for lower costs,

Government does not 'negotiate'. It legislates, mandates, and
dictates.

Must be why it had to be specifically prohibited by law. lol

Liberals love to mangle the language and that is a good example
Medicare does not 'negotiate' ANY thing.

Not now, anyway, they prohibited it by law. lol

They never have for ANY thing, you damn snip ass liar.


Next you will be telling us the VA does not 'negotiate'.

Oh, wait, you already did that. HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW

http://www.cov.com/files/Publication...%20Pharmac.pdf



Typical liberal liar as the first 4 words explicitly explain "DoD
Final Rule Mandates..."

"which requires..."

"every manufacturer must offer... equal to or below the Federal
Ceiling Price ("FCP")."

"despite the "voluntary" label, DoD states... pricing to TRRx at
or below FCP to be mandatory.."

There's your lying ass 'negotiation'.

"WAIVER
Under the Final Rule, DoD has indicated that the obligation to pay
refunds for TRRx
prescriptions filled in 2008 could be waived in whole or in part
pursuant to a negotiation of
"voluntary" agreements regarding the prospective availability of
covered drugs to TRRx at
or below FCP."

Why, you're right, there it is, right there. "Negotiation".
Gawrsh, reading really IS fundamental!

Yes, just like the word "voluntary" for mandatory price requirements
is "right there" and the supposed 'negotiation' line you quote is
that the RETROACTIVE penalty (required refund for not complying
with rules that didn't exist at the time. How so 'liberal') 'might'
(could) be 'waived' if one 'voluntarily' agrees to the MANDATE.

And a mugger 'might' not shoot you if you 'voluntarily' hand over
your wallet.

As I said, Liberals love to mangle the language, a generous
alternate description to what the average person would
understandably call "lying."

OK, have it your way - government never negotiates.

Tell you what. Tax time is coming up in a few months so show us all
how it's done by 'negotiating' a different tax rate for yourself and
see how far you get. How about 'negotiating' a lower gasoline tax too?

The republicans paid
the price in 2008 for preventing medicare from negotiating drug
prices when no such thing was ever possible

Liberals claim a lot of things that aren't possible and, as your own
link proved, mangle the language to hide the truth.

- and Obama got a health care deal out of
the Pharma companies by promising the bill would not do something
that was already impossible. lol

As Speaker of the House Pelosi giggled, Obama promised a lot of things
that don't happen.

Apparently, under your scenario, republicans are real dupes.

No, it's just people who take liberals at their word, like calling
mandated pricing 'negotiation', who are duped.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

First link: The VA Drug Pricing Model: What Senators Should Know

"But the VA does not simply negotiate prices; rather, it **fixes**
prices and then reduces the range of drugs offered to enrollees.
.
.
.
While the VA's pricing practices do not consist of price-fixing
mechanisms alone, they are not "negotiation" either. The VA does not
use its buying power to negotiate with drug companies for lower
prices. Instead, the government, acting through the VA, uses its power
to deny manufacturers market access as a way to extort lower prices.
But these lower prices come at the expense of fewer drugs for
patients."


heh heh heh

Thanks for posting links to how liberals mangle the language to
promulgate falsehoods and lies.



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