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My dad passed away in 1998. He loved power tools. Today I was
going
through the
attic and found an almost new Craftsman 315.276040 3 HP
Electronic
Plunge
Router. It was purchased new in 1992 for $215.00 Now I'm going
to
have
to
go
through everything to see what's there.
Now I need to learn how to use it. Question: Is it possible to
use
a
plunge
router in a router table? I really like the 3HP size of the
motor.
In principle yes, altho you might have to modify the base to
attach
to
the
table.
Note, tho, that 3 Sears HP = 1 Porter Cable HP. No foolin....
Sears used locked-rotor current (stalled motor current) to calc
their
hp --
a total scam.
Cites, please.
OK, my bad:
3 Sears hp = 1.1 Porter Cable hp.
Sears motor rating policy is common knowledge.
You can verify this for yourself with an ampprobe -- lock the
spindle
with
a
vise grip, or wood in circular saw blade, or whatever, and measure
the
current. Multiply by 120, then divide by 746. Wahlah -- their hp
rating.
Now, take same circ saw, wail on a 4x4 until you "feel" that it is
counterproductive to push harder, measure the current, calc as
above.
That
would be the "real" hp rating, proly 1/3 the above locked rotor
current,
mebbe even 1/10.
Do the same for a Porter Cable.
iirc, the FTC or some equivalent org made Sears suposedly stop
this
practice, a few years ago.
Sears is no cute li'l retail bunny. After they were caught in NYS
in
their
auto repair ripoff scam, they were sued in mebbe a dozen other
states,
coast
to coast. google sears auto repair lawsuit.
Unfortly, google dudn't reveal much on their motor rating scam,
but
who
would expect less of Sears?
In other words, you pulled this accusation directly out of your
ass.
No, the other words would more correctly be:
You don't know how to use an ampprobe, and don't have a fukn
clue
as
to
what I'm talking about.
No, that's not the case at all. I think you just completely made up
a
story, or repeated one like a parrot, without ANY hard evidence to
back it up.
Well, dude, I have the hardest evidence you can name: I verified this
for
myself, with.... an ampprobe.
Since you """"claim"""" you know what an ampprobe is, and how to use
it,
then do what I said, and verify my claim for yourself, instead being
an
effing polly purebread net etiquette asshole.
I haven't done this on recent sears stuff (cuz I don't have recent
stuff)
to see if they indeed did clean up their fraudulent act.
I'll bet you will *still* find a fair discrepancy between how Sears
rates
their stuff and how porter cable, bosch, et al rate their stuff, just
not
the outrageous discrepancies there were before.
Now, if you think I'm just flat out lying, or that I don't know how to
use
an ampprobe properly, then again, try it yourself, or go whine to your
shop
teacher.
I *admitted* to not being able to find cites on google, while the auto
fraud
stuff popped right up, but that doesn't mean much, because 1. ahm no
google whiz, and 2. this is a subtler less recognizable issue
media-wise.
If sears was sanctioned by some trade organization, instead of sued by
the
FTC or sundry attorney generals, then you would expect documentation
to
be
harder to find.
Oh, and another thing:
Even if the motor under full load draws a current that corresponds to
a
claimed hp, that STILL doesn't mean that hp is being mechanically
generated -- the motor could be substantially inefficient so that the
delivered hp to the blade is substantially less. It is equivalent to
measuring how much gas a car is burning, and converting that to engine
hp --
unthinkable, with dynamometers readily available to car testers.
It's also roughly similar to the diff between hp at the crankshaft and
rear-wheel hp -- sig losses can occur.
THIS type of thing is almost impossible for a diy-er to
measure/verify,
and
an asshole, such as yerself, COULD arger that mebbe the porter cable
has
LESS *delivered or blade hp* than a sears, because even if the load
current
measurements.are greater for the PC, mebbe it's motor is so
inefficient
that
less "blade hp" is delivered than the sears, even with sears
locked-rotor
current bull****.
While in principle this is true, it is highly highly unlikely, because
disreputable organizations that use locked-rotor current to advertise
hp
surely aren't giving too many hoots regarding their cheap-ass motor
designs,
from china.
Case in point:
I have their former top-of-the-line RAS, and I can't rip 2x4s for more
than
10-15 minutes before the motor goes out on thermal overload. Which
then
takes about 15 minutes to cool down.
****ed as I am about that, I'm nevertheless grateful that the effing
weak-assed motor (multi-hp, of course) HAS a thermal reset button, so
at
least the effing motor doesn't smoke.
YOU have.... how many Sears tools? What brand of ampprobe??
Thanks for this lengthy, rambling, disjointed, nonsensical post
proving you have exactly NOTHING to back up your specious claims.
Yeah, I know exactly what you mean: When *I* don't understand
something,
it
indeed appears like rambling. Mebbe have your shop teacher explain it
to
you.
Calling me names, or speculating on my level of expertise, does
exactly nothing to back up your original claim.
And... you've.... checked a sears tool with your ampprobe?
Still waiting for some cites from a reliable source. You calimed that
the government was involved, so that means there should be cites
available. Until you produce those, you are just making **** up.
Well, my ampprobe was pretty reliable. You want me to publish my
results
in
a pee-reviewed journal?
And what I said was, "... the FTC or some equivalent org....".
It's pretty clear the FTC was NOT involved, since I don't think they
even
much got involved with the auto fraud case -- that was state attorney
generals doing their own revenue raising..
It was probably a trade organization. Since you're so effing smart,
mebbe
you can google it up?
My points remain... that you can't follow them is your own problem.
You have proven that you can't follow them, because you haven't
addressed
a
single one of them -- you just bleat about the cite, the cite, the cite.
Do the test yourself.... or have your shop teacher show you how.
Hint: when you ampprobe sumpn, you can't ampprobe the hot and neutral
together, so you need a split-wire adapter.
HTH.
Here's how it works:
me: "Lawn Darts (Jarts) are dangerous and people have been killed by
them"
you: "I don't believe that. I think you just made it up. Please
provide cites to back up your absurd claim."
me: http://www.cpsc.gov/CPSCPUB/PREREL/PRHTML97/97122.html
See how easy that is, when you are stating FACTS?
And you believe everything you read?
Dude, learn how to put an ampprobe on a motor, or just stfu.
You obviously aren't willing to think for yourself, or do your own tests.
You prefer to perform fellatio on any figure of authority..
It's just like those assholes ****ty Two and Ricodjour, who fought me
tooth
and nail on the Dual Saw, not understnading the concept of climb cutting.
They wanted cites too, and it just so happened there were about a million
refs to climb cutting using saw blades.
But I need not have had to have provided any effing cites -- it's simple
effing logic, and a little marketing savvy.
Asshole companies mis-market their ****. Asshole consumers, like you,
fall
for that **** hook line and sinker, and THEN defend their purchases.
Heh, if yer going to fellate, you might as well swallow -- brain food,
donchaknow.
Heh, you might as well make everyone happy and fellate the people as
Sears.
Enjoy yer horsepower.
Once again you come back throwing everything but the kictchen sink to
avoid the obvious fact that you completely made something up, and
can't defend it in any meaningful manner.
Friendly advice: Put down the shovel, already!
You are so rabidly stupid, you can no longer distinguish between my not
(currently) being able to provide your oh-so precious cite, and my making
things up.
I did better than provide the cite: I did the experiment. But this is
apparently too much for you to handle.
If you were smart, you'd perhaps quibble about *how* I did the experiment,
if it was a valid test etc but then, well, you're clearly not that smart.
You apparently have no grasp of what hp is, or how it is determined.
You are how Bush got elected -- twice.
You should have put down the shovel before embarassing yourself
further like this.
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