On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 06:45:50 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:
**Plimer is a liar and has been in the employ of the fossil fuel industry
(he is a GEOLOGIST, not a climatologist)
The head of the IPCC is an industrial and electrical engineer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajendra_K._Pachauri
Out of 2500 members of the IPCC, about 100 are computer scientists,
and another 100 are mathematicians. There are a substantial number of
chemists, geologists, and other diciplines. Many have changed their
titles to something like "environmental physical chemist" or "physical
climatologist".
As for Ian Plimer being a liar, you might want to reflect on the
recent data massage and original data distruction from UEA.
for decades. Plimer ignores the
science and promulgates a lie that others have done. This lie has been
exposed and Plimer's reputation is now in tatters. Sad, really, because he
is an excellent geologist.His claim is that temperature rises ALWAYS lead
CO2 level rises by 800 years. This claim is pitifully simple to refute, by
examining the proxy data.
Which proxy data? Dome C ice core?
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2005/11/650000-years-of-greenhouse-gas-concentrations/
On a scale of almost a million years, 800 years looks very tiny. I
couldn't say it was one way or the other.
Also see sample proxy temp data graphs at:
http://climateaudit.org/2007/11/20/loehle-proxies-2/
I've looked at some of the proxy data and found that I can generate
almost any conclusion I want if I simply cherry pick the data that
fits my conclusion. By conglomerating, rescaling, and "adjusting"
combinations of the data, I can do it even easier.
Here's a sample rebuttle:
"The lag between temperature and CO2. (Gore’s got it right.)"
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/04/the-lag-between-temp-and-co2/
Despite the title and ending line in most paragraphs claiming that C02
rise precedes temperature rise, the evidence he presents doesn't seem
to match the conclusions and seems (in my opinion) a rather poor job
of squirming around the evidence. Several paragraphs start with
something like "well the data says that CO2 leads temperature rise,
but that's not true because of....". Of course, all anyone is going
to remember is the title and conclusion, so I guess it doesn't really
matter. Everyone lies, but that's ok because nobody listens.
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