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Red Green wrote:

Let's not stereotype bikers either. Yea I know many have a rep. One group
I was associated with years ago looked just like the typical biker scum.
One policy for membership was zero alcohol and drugs. There are many
positive examples but this is first hand experience. Oh, and American
flags only.

Easy to do. My wife & I were going to a new watering hole a few years
ago to see a new band we had heard a lot about. Come running up to the
front and see all these motorcycles lined up with a bunch of scraggly
dudes hanging out. Wife wanted to leave but then I noticed the colors.
Told her all would be well and you would be probably be safer in that
bar that night than at home. It was a meeting of the Iron Pigs, so they
were all cops and fire dudes.

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To find that place where the rats don't race
and the phones don't ring at all.
If once, you've slept on an island.
Scott Kirby "If once you've slept on an island"