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"Ed Huntress" wrote:

"Neil Nelson" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Ed Huntress" wrote:


Now I have two questions for you, Steve.

I'm not Steve but I'd like to answer those questions.

First, what other president has had
people from the opposing party demand to see his birth certificate?

Chester Arthur.
Chester A. Arthur was the 21st president of the United States, he took
office upon the death of James Garfield. Arthur was Garfield's vice
president.

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This is a complete pack of lies and ignorance, Neil. To be a "natural born
citizen," one has to be born in the US. It has nothing to do with where your
*father* was born, fer chrissake.

Please cite where i claimed that the fathers birthplace was germane to
natural born status.

You can't because I didn't.

Who's the liar Ed?

Wikipedia does a pretty good job of explaining where the "birther" nonsense
comes from on Arthur. It was a bit similar to what Obama faces -- political
opponents who lied through their teeth to try to stop Arthur's presidency.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chester...ur#cite_note-1

That same article points out that Chester A. Arthur's father did not
become a naturalized citizen until 14 years after Chester A. Arthur was
born on U.S. soil, making Chester A. Arthur a usurper to the office of
president.


Section 1 of Article 2 of the constitution states; No person except a
natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of
the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of
President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall
not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen
Years a Resident within the United States."

Natural born citizen? Chester Arthur was not a natural born citizen and
he knew it. To be a natural born citizen he would have had to be born
of parents who were citizens of the United States...

Complete baloney.

... but his father who
was born in Ireland did not become naturalized until Chester was 14
years old. Chester Arthur perpetuated his lie well enough and long
enough that it wasn't until much later that it was discovered that he
had usurped the office of the presidency. Historic accounts show that
Chester Arthur went to great lengths, even ordering all of his personal
papers to be burned (sounds familiar) and lying about the year he was
born in hopes that claiming to be one year younger would add
plausibility to whether his father had been in the U.S. long enough to
acquire citizenship.

Barack Obama's father was born in Kenya, to that there is no dispute,
there is also no dispute that at the time of Barack Jr. birth he was a
citizen of Kenya and a british subject. Barack Sr. never sought nor did
he receive United States citizenship. According to the constitution, it
takes both parents being citizens to convey natural born citizenship to
their offspring.

Complete nonsense. Show us this provision in the Constitution. (Hint: It

14th Amendment;
" 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject
to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of
the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law
which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life,
liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any
person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
doesn't exist.)

Plainly states to anyone who can read that a person born in the United
States is a citizen. It also plainly makes no distinction between a
citizen born here and a naturalized citizen.
It doesn't make any distinction that those born here are natural born
versus those who choose to move here and do so can become naturalIZED
citizens, Yet section 1 article 2 of the constitution makes a
distinction by usage of the term natural born citizen as to who is
qualified to be president and since section 1 article 2 of the
constitution also mentions the means by which a mere citizen qualifies
to be president, we must not only recognize that there is a distinction
but also that the distinction exists.

Born here OR naturalized are citizens, just plain old run of the mill
citizens.

Born here of two citizen parents who may or may not have been born on
foreign soil = natural born citizen. Got it Ed? Good, because I'd hate
to see you accuse me again of saying something that I never actually
said.

Then comes the phrase "any person within it's jurisdiction." as is
common knowledge, Barack Obama senior was already married to someone in
Kenya when he married Stanley Ann Dunham, in effect, he considered
himself immune to our laws regarding polygamy (assumes that S.A.D. knew
of the other wife) and thus any children born to him in this country
would not assume citizenship the same as would apply to children born
here to a foreign diplomat subject to diplomatic immunity.


The second question is, if you doubt that Obama was born in Hawaii, WHY
do
you doubt it?

Why would it matter which state he was born in? His father was not a
U.S. citizen so he could not by any stretch of the imagination convey
natural born citizenship to his son who now occupies the White House.

This is an absolute crock of nonsense.

You're claiming that his father -was- a U.S. citizen when lil Barack was
born?

Now I have a question for you, Neil: Where did you get this pile of crap?

Reading the constitution. Sorry that you think it's a pile of crap.
Federalist papers also, I suppose you think they are a pile of crap too?

I don't believe you made it up on your own. This was written by someone who
was counting on his audience to be too dumb or lazy to check any of it out.

"too dumb or lazy" certainly applies, just not how you think.
Barack Obama's whole campaign and presidency depends on people too dumb
or lazy to check any of it out.

I don't believe you did that. So, who did you get it from?

Enterprise High School in Enterprise Alabama. The history teacher there
was an ex army drill sergeant, he expected more than the now popular
show up and fall asleep type of educational process. This was seven
years after Barack Obama was born so feel free to invent whatever
conspiracy theories you feel necessary.

I'm always curious about where these lies get their start.

This particular one, the 2004 DNC AFAIK.