On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 08:42:24 -0600, aarcuda69062
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On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 03:05:46 -0600, Neil Nelson
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"Ed Huntress" wrote:
Now I have two questions for you, Steve.
I'm not Steve but I'd like to answer those questions.
First, what other president has had
people from the opposing party demand to see his birth certificate?
Chester Arthur.
Chester A. Arthur was the 21st president of the United States, he took
office upon the death of James Garfield. Arthur was Garfield's vice
president.
Section 1 of Article 2 of the constitution states; No person except a
natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of
the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of
President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall
not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen
Years a Resident within the United States."
Natural born citizen? Chester Arthur was not a natural born citizen and
he knew it. To be a natural born citizen he would have had to be born
of parents who were citizens of the United States, but his father who
was born in Ireland did not become naturalized until Chester was 14
years old. Chester Arthur perpetuated his lie well enough and long
enough that it wasn't until much later that it was discovered that he
had usurped the office of the presidency. Historic accounts show that
Chester Arthur went to great lengths, even ordering all of his personal
papers to be burned (sounds familiar) and lying about the year he was
born in hopes that claiming to be one year younger would add
plausibility to whether his father had been in the U.S. long enough to
acquire citizenship.
Barack Obama's father was born in Kenya, to that there is no dispute,
there is also no dispute that at the time of Barack Jr. birth he was a
citizen of Kenya and a british subject. Barack Sr. never sought nor did
he receive United States citizenship. According to the constitution, it
takes both parents being citizens to convey natural born citizenship to
their offspring.
The second question is, if you doubt that Obama was born in Hawaii, WHY do
you doubt it?
Why would it matter which state he was born in? His father was not a
U.S. citizen so he could not by any stretch of the imagination convey
natural born citizenship to his son who now occupies the White House.
The whole issue of the Hawaiian birth certificate is a rouse, a red
herring, the so called "birthers" are a ploy by those who strive to
dismantle the constitution to divert and deflect the real issue.
Again, it wouldn't matter if he was born on the lawn of the White House
with J. Edgar Hoover as witness, his father was a Kenyan national, was
NOT a U.S. citizen and could NOT convey natural born status to his son.
The largest crime since the inception of this country is being
perpetrated right under your noses, right now,and you all think that's
just dandy.
Am I a racist? I might be, I voted for Obama.
Are you really, really sure of your facts here?
Yes. You should be also.
that to be considered
a native born citizen of the United States you must be born to a man
and woman who are both citizens? You are sure? Really sure? Absolutely
sure?
Unfortunately you are wrong. The 14th amendment to the constitution
says, in the first paragraph that:
" 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject
to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of
the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law
which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life,
liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any
person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
It says that all persons born or naturalized in the United States and
subject to the jurisdiction of are CITIZENS of the United States.
IOWs, being born here merely conveys _citizenship_.
Being born here doesn't not automatically make one a _natural born
citizen_.
The phrase to which you refer gives equal status (citizen) to someone
who was born here -or- has been naturalized.
I can't understand how so many can so easily confuse the issue, it's
simple enough to understand.
Then again, I can't understand how someone who was convicted of
possession of crack cocaine could be elected to mayor of the city of
Washington D.C.
Our standards keep dropping...
Regards to you.
It appears that you believe that there are two types of Citizens who
are born citizens? (1) those who are the descendents of a citizen
mother AND citizen father and those who just were lucky and born in
the US, and only the former are qualified to become President, and
you don't see why so many can so easily confuse the issue....
The Constitution states that :
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United
States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be
eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be
eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of
thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the
United States.
Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code, Section 1401, defines the
following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"
* Anyone born inside the United States *
* Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a
citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen
of the tribe
* Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents
are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a
citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other
parent is a U.S. national
* Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen
and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
* Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage
cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not
provided by age 21
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an
alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who
lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and
diplomatic service included in this time)
* A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of
an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
(* There is an exception in the law \u2014 the person must be "subject
to the jurisdiction" of the United States. This would exempt the child
of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.)
There appears to be no additional definition of a natural born
citizen, but if you have a different definition or definition of a
natural born citizen whereby he is, or is not, qualified to be
president it would be nice if you would point to a reference of some
sort for your definition.
Regards,
J.B.