PeterD wrote:
On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 05:30:15 +0100, richard
wrote:



Politicians are driven by ideolgy.

No, politicians are driven by greed and power.


I don't know the ins and outs of (for example) health care but one
could argue that the UK national health model (for example) is a
more efficient method of delivering health care than the American
system.

And their system is is serious financial trouble too... Or did you
miss that?

I'm not proposing it - and I believe that the
French system works better - in that queues are shorter. Offhand I
don't know which country has the highest life expectation - though I
doubt it is the US.

Nothing in France is better.


I'm not blaming Bush, I'm just saying that he screwed up and so
that's how the US finds itself in its present situation.

Bush may have screwed up in Iraq and Afganistan, but the basic
financial debacle is absolutely traceable back to Clinton and Carter's
programs and policies.

Wrong. But it is traceable to crap Phil Gramm and his lobbyist buddies
stuck into bills Clinton would have to sign, yes.




I don't really see Obama as a communist - as I believe you asserted
elsewhere (as opposed to a democrat) - where for example are the
collective farms ?\

Obama is not a communist, he is a socialist.

Pathetic right wing lie, no basis in reality whatsoever. None.


There is a BIG difference
between the two.


Perhaps it will end in tears - but so what is new about that ? It
might turn out better than another 4 years of Bush which is what it
should be judged against. Would that not be a disaster of epic
proportions ? Of Bolton strutting around the UN, of countries being
characterised as the axis of evil, of people being bombed and
tortured, of arabs having their lands systematically stolen, of the
threat of more US missiles being placed in Europe - and so on ? From
outside it appears much better now. Honestly, "Bring it on",
"you're either with us or you're against us" - is that sort of
philosophy adequate for our times ?

The republicans had their time and they ****ed up. If they had been
more circumspect, maybe they'd still be in power.

So far, the democrats have not done one tiny bit better, except to
push massive debt onto the American public, debt that our children and
their children will eventually either have to pay, or default on.

Yep. Thanks, republicans, for making that absolutely necessary.