On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 05:30:15 +0100, richard
wrote:



Politicians are driven by ideolgy.

No, politicians are driven by greed and power.


I don't know the ins and outs of (for example) health care but one could argue that the UK national health model (for example)
is a more efficient method of delivering health care than the American system.

And their system is is serious financial trouble too... Or did you
miss that?

I'm not proposing it - and I believe that the
French system works better - in that queues are shorter. Offhand I don't know which country has the highest life expectation -
though I doubt it is the US.

Nothing in France is better.


I'm not blaming Bush, I'm just saying that he screwed up and so that's how the US finds itself in its present situation.

Bush may have screwed up in Iraq and Afganistan, but the basic
financial debacle is absolutely traceable back to Clinton and Carter's
programs and policies.


I don't really see Obama as a communist - as I believe you asserted elsewhere (as opposed to a democrat) - where for example are
the collective farms ?\

Obama is not a communist, he is a socialist. There is a BIG difference
between the two.


Perhaps it will end in tears - but so what is new about that ? It might turn out better than another 4 years of Bush which is
what it should be judged against. Would that not be a disaster of epic proportions ? Of Bolton strutting around the UN, of
countries being characterised as the axis of evil, of people being bombed and tortured, of arabs having their lands
systematically stolen, of the threat of more US missiles being placed in Europe - and so on ? From outside it appears much
better now. Honestly, "Bring it on", "you're either with us or you're against us" - is that sort of philosophy adequate for our
times ?

The republicans had their time and they ****ed up. If they had been more circumspect, maybe they'd still be in power.

So far, the democrats have not done one tiny bit better, except to
push massive debt onto the American public, debt that our children and
their children will eventually either have to pay, or default on.