Scott Lurndal wrote:
Tim Daneliuk writes:
Scott Lurndal wrote:
"DGDevin" writes:
HeyBub wrote:

DGDevin wrote:
What cracks me up is folks upset at the notion of some govt.
bureaucrat telling them which sort of health care they'll be allowed
to have as if the same damn thing doesn't happen today with insurance
company bureaucrats. I had an MRI awhile back and the hospital
wouldn't give me an appointment until they'd heard from the insurance
company. Ditto with appointments with specialists and so on, it all
requires approval from some guy in a cubicle a thousand miles away.
[...]

Here's the difference: If you don't like the way your insurance
company treats you - and your observation tends to imply that
direction - you're free to change insurance companies!
Horsecrap. My wife and I have employer-provided insurance, but if we left
that coverage I'd be one of those "pre-existing condition" cases, in other
words, **** out of luck. There was a documentary on PBS not long ago that
mentioned the CEO of Kaiser Permanente is in the same boat--uninsurable
outside company coverage. Got any facile advice on what people should do
when in that situation, any easy slogans?
In their mind, you should just change employers. People like Tim, and
Robots like HeyBub (who is too ashamed of his positions to post with
his real name) think people are just resources that get slotted in
wherever they are needed; whereas most people actually get jobs that
they _like_, and resent being reslotted for whatever reason or being
treated as interchangable parts in some vast machine.

It's the old Repubs favor the freedom of business to do whatever they
want, and Dems favor the freedom of individuals to do whatever they
want.

scott
Nooooow I understand: The rest of us should pay for the kind of healthcare you
want so you can work in a place that you like and be free of "resentment".
What a marvelous worldview...


what a remarkable strawman. I'm really struggling to see how you
can translate what I said into what you said.

I read what you wrote, no more. You opined that people don't like being slotted becayse
it makes them resentful - this in the context of a nationalized healthcare debate.
What I said is the logical conclusion of all the above...

Healthcare is no more a right than owning a home, buying a car, or owning a flatscreen
TV. Insisting that your neighbors pay for it is no different than forcing them to
pay your mortgage. In this case "neighbors" mostly means younger people picking up
the tab for older people. The young people mostly don't need insurance but will
be forced to do so under any government mandated plan - it's the only way to pickup
the tab for the elders that don't want to spend their own money on healthcare. There
simply are not enough wealthy people to fleece to pay for it all. Sadly, almost every
liberal I know - including the relatively smart ones - cannot or will not do math and
thus believes you can legislate magic into existence in the face of all economic
reality. Wait until you see every 18 year old having to both sign up for the draft
AND buy insurance they don't need. You'll see a level of "resentment" that will
curl your hair ...

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