DGDevin wrote:

Jack Stein wrote:

Because they can't even get all their own members of Congress to go
along. A bunch of them (especially from the south) are worried about
losing their seats to Republicans so they'll resist voting for what
many of their constituents have been convinced is rampaging
socialism.

No argument with that, other than "many of their constituents
recognize as rampaging socialism." "Rampaging socialism" is easy to
recognize, no need to convince anyone with half a brain... it is what
it is...

Since these are the same people who are convinced the govt. wants to set
up death panels to decide when everyone will be allowed to die,

Look, the only way to save the amount of money being touted by the
proponents of these bills is going to be to ration care. You can't get
that amount from cutting "waste and fraud" from Medicare -- why can't they
do that now? You can't save money by bringing in 30 Million (47 million?,
27 million? What's the number this week?) more people and still provide
the same services. Tom Dashcle was promoting a panel to design and develop
a list of approved protocols for treatment and who should receive that
treatment in order to make cost-effective decisions. This approach has
been included in the porkulus bill. You can call these what you want, but
the fact that government bureaucrats are going to decide what treatments
should be covered and at what ages on should just give them "a pain
pill" -- that's Obama's exact words, equates to someone determining who is
going to live and who is going to die. Once government takes over health
care, you are no longer a citizen, you are a line item in the budget. Call
it radical right wing hysteria, call it eeevil conservatives thwarting the
black president, the fact is that it is the government regulating what
care, when, and how you will receive it. You are no longer an independent
citizen, you are not dependent upon the government.


and give
away free health care to illegal aliens (the clear language of the bill
notwithstanding)

Umm, no the language is not clear. While it does say illegals aren't
eligible, there is no enforcement mechanism to ensure that. When
representatives tried to get enforcement amendments added to that section
of the bill, they were voted down -- several times.



and for that matter that President Obama's birth
certificate is a forgery, I'm not too concerned with what they believe.
Anyone who shows up at a town hall meeting to screech that they don't want
the govt. getting involved with their Medicare is frankly too dumb to be
taken seriously. It saddens me that the Republican Party has been reduced
to appealing to the fears of ill-informed yahoos, but that's what it has
come to.

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Rob Leatham