flipper wrote:
On Tue, 8 Sep 2009 11:51:04 -0500, "Ouroboros Rex"
wrote:

flipper wrote:
On Fri, 4 Sep 2009 14:50:16 -0500, "Ouroboros Rex"
wrote:

flipper wrote:
On Fri, 4 Sep 2009 09:07:13 -0500, "Ouroboros Rex"
wrote:

flipper wrote:
On Thu, 3 Sep 2009 10:03:56 -0500, "Ouroboros Rex"
wrote:

flipper wrote:
On Thu, 3 Sep 2009 01:47:29 -0400, "Tom Del Rosso"
wrote:


Jim Thompson wrote:
Fascism at its finest...

Repeat After Me: There Are No Death Panels in Socialized
Heathcare...

http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/291725.php

==quote==
In a letter to The Daily Telegraph, a group of experts who
care for the terminally ill claim that some patients are
being wrongly judged as close to death.
Under NHS guidance introduced across England to help doctors
and medical staff deal with dying patients, they can then
have fluid and drugs withdrawn and many are put on continuous
sedation until they pass away.

But this approach can also mask the signs that their
condition is improving, the experts warn.

As a result the scheme is causing a "national crisis" in
patient care, the letter states. It has been signed
palliative care experts including Professor Peter Millard,
Emeritus Professor of Geriatrics, University of London, Dr
Peter Hargreaves, a consultant in Palliative Medicine at St
Luke's cancer centre in Guildford, and four others.

"Forecasting death is an inexact science," they say. Patients
are being diagnosed as being close to death "without regard
to the fact that the diagnosis could be wrong.

"As a result a national wave of discontent is building up, as
family and friends witness the denial of fluids and food to
patients."

The warning comes just a week after a report by the Patients
Association estimated that up to one million patients had
received poor or cruel care on the NHS.
==quote==

A few years ago Florida had a case of "denial of fluids and
food" to a patient who was not even near death. I still
think you, Jim, were on the wrong side of that one.

While the courts ended up playing referee on which private
citizen would prevail at least that case was a dispute between
family members on what to do

...Until the righties insisted the government take over that
decision. lol


In the first place, 'the government', in the form of the courts,
was already involved but, more to the point, 'righties', as you
call them, think the Congress has no business in the matter
then, or now, whether Republican, Democrat, or the current
loony tunes.

Righties insisted Congress take up the issue.


Obama is going to put you in his 'fishy' list if you don't stop
calling him a 'rightie'.

"Fishy list", lol

cuckoo cuckoo cuckoo

Obama agrees with me.

In which fantasy land do you live where Obama is a 'rightie'?

Fact.

You wouldn't recognize a 'fact' if it hit you in the face.

Another pathetic lie.

Hell, you don't even recognize your own words, much less have any
concept of opinion and fact.


What they wanted was for the case to be heard in a higher court
and the 'subpoena was to keep her alive till it could because dead
people don't have standing.

Tell Pat Mahoney.

Rev. Pat Mahoney was formerly with the anti-abortion group
Operation Rescue and is now executive director of the Christian
Defense Coalition, "an informal but growing network of
conservative, religious and disability organizations who, with the
click of a computer mouse, are enlisting hundreds of thousands of
people in Bob and Mary Schindler's fight to keep their daughter
Terri Schiavo alive."

"The first goal of the campaign, Mahoney said, is to save Terri
Schiavo's life. But he and others also hope to roll back the laws
and ethical and medical guidelines that have evolved since 1990,
when the U.S. Supreme Court recognized artificial sustenance and
hydration as medical treatment." Knight Ridder, March 14, 2005.


Tell John Sternberger.

John Stemberger, president of the Orlando, FL,-based Florida Family
Policy Council, says that "Food and water is not medical treatment.
It's ordinary care, ... Our primary interest is what the law should
be, not what the law is, and this will be one of our top
priorities: to create new public policy." Bradenton Herald, March
14, 2005


"You wouldn't recognize a fact if it hit you in the face", right?
=)

In what fantasy world do you live where Mahoney and Stemberger serve
in Congress?

Serve in Congress? Not to my knowledge. What are you whining
about about now, redefining sad sack?

The topic was what "the government" did, stupid.


More pathetic redefinition, to cover your lie.


flipper wrote:
On Fri, 4 Sep 2009 09:07:13 -0500, "Ouroboros Rex"
wrote:

flipper wrote:

In the first place, 'the government', in the form of the courts, was
already involved but, more to the point, 'righties', as you call
them, think the Congress has no business in the matter then, or
now, whether Republican, Democrat, or the current loony tunes.

Righties insisted Congress take up the issue.


Obama is going to put you in his 'fishy' list if you don't stop
calling him a 'rightie'.

Fact.

You wouldn't recognize a 'fact' if it hit you in the face.

What they wanted was for the case to be heard in a higher court and
the 'subpoena was to keep her alive till it could because dead people
don't have standing.


Pretending you have to be in Congress to be known as a "rightie" is your
dumbest redefinition yet.

You ar a puerile intellectaul coward.