flipper wrote:
On Fri, 4 Sep 2009 14:50:16 -0500, "Ouroboros Rex"
wrote:

flipper wrote:
On Fri, 4 Sep 2009 09:07:13 -0500, "Ouroboros Rex"
wrote:

flipper wrote:
On Thu, 3 Sep 2009 10:03:56 -0500, "Ouroboros Rex"
wrote:

flipper wrote:
On Thu, 3 Sep 2009 01:47:29 -0400, "Tom Del Rosso"
wrote:


Jim Thompson wrote:
Fascism at its finest...

Repeat After Me: There Are No Death Panels in Socialized
Heathcare...

http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/291725.php

==quote==
In a letter to The Daily Telegraph, a group of experts who care
for the terminally ill claim that some patients are being
wrongly judged as close to death.
Under NHS guidance introduced across England to help doctors
and medical staff deal with dying patients, they can then have
fluid and drugs withdrawn and many are put on continuous
sedation until they pass away.

But this approach can also mask the signs that their condition
is improving, the experts warn.

As a result the scheme is causing a "national crisis" in
patient care, the letter states. It has been signed palliative
care experts including Professor Peter Millard, Emeritus
Professor of Geriatrics, University of London, Dr Peter
Hargreaves, a consultant in Palliative Medicine at St Luke's
cancer centre in Guildford, and four others.

"Forecasting death is an inexact science," they say. Patients
are being diagnosed as being close to death "without regard to
the fact that the diagnosis could be wrong.

"As a result a national wave of discontent is building up, as
family and friends witness the denial of fluids and food to
patients."

The warning comes just a week after a report by the Patients
Association estimated that up to one million patients had
received poor or cruel care on the NHS.
==quote==

A few years ago Florida had a case of "denial of fluids and
food" to a patient who was not even near death. I still think
you, Jim, were on the wrong side of that one.

While the courts ended up playing referee on which private
citizen would prevail at least that case was a dispute between
family members on what to do

...Until the righties insisted the government take over that
decision. lol


In the first place, 'the government', in the form of the courts,
was already involved but, more to the point, 'righties', as you
call them, think the Congress has no business in the matter then,
or now, whether Republican, Democrat, or the current loony tunes.

Righties insisted Congress take up the issue.


Obama is going to put you in his 'fishy' list if you don't stop
calling him a 'rightie'.

"Fishy list", lol

cuckoo cuckoo cuckoo

Obama agrees with me.

In which fantasy land do you live where Obama is a 'rightie'?

Fact.

You wouldn't recognize a 'fact' if it hit you in the face.

Another pathetic lie.

Hell, you don't even recognize your own words, much less have any
concept of opinion and fact.


What they wanted was for the case to be heard in a higher court and
the 'subpoena was to keep her alive till it could because dead
people don't have standing.

Tell Pat Mahoney.

Rev. Pat Mahoney was formerly with the anti-abortion group Operation
Rescue and is now executive director of the Christian Defense
Coalition, "an informal but growing network of conservative,
religious and disability organizations who, with the click of a
computer mouse, are enlisting hundreds of thousands of people in Bob
and Mary Schindler's fight to keep their daughter Terri Schiavo
alive."

"The first goal of the campaign, Mahoney said, is to save Terri
Schiavo's life. But he and others also hope to roll back the laws
and ethical and medical guidelines that have evolved since 1990,
when the U.S. Supreme Court recognized artificial sustenance and
hydration as medical treatment." Knight Ridder, March 14, 2005.


Tell John Sternberger.

John Stemberger, president of the Orlando, FL,-based Florida Family
Policy Council, says that "Food and water is not medical treatment.
It's ordinary care, ... Our primary interest is what the law should
be, not what the law is, and this will be one of our top priorities:
to create new public policy." Bradenton Herald, March 14, 2005


"You wouldn't recognize a fact if it hit you in the face", right?
=)

In what fantasy world do you live where Mahoney and Stemberger serve
in Congress?

Serve in Congress? Not to my knowledge. What are you whining about about
now, redefining sad sack?