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"bando?ers@gmail" writes:

If your time is short, don't read this, as most of it has been said/a
couple of posts crossed while I was composing this.(no net access for
me this last week), but I still want to put it all in perspective.


.. It is good to hear from one for whom this particular discussion was
started (or at least the a.c.b-u 'group was added); we sighted folk can
argue what we think makes things harder or easier for you, but it is
always good to have input from someone who knows. ..

I just wanted to throw in my two cents on this, although it hardly
seems needed/several good thoughtful comments, and a good bit of time
wasting bs from ego obsessed...well...bleepers. I hope my post style
is understood by all that care to understand, and I'm sure that a few


.. I understand your post. ..
[]
Quotes were fewer and farther between on the groups that I
frequented, and most folks took the time to think and snip. I thought


.. Indeed, folks do indeed seem to have less time to snip nowadays. ..

my mb10 in box was plenty big. Times have changed, but just because
we have something there is no reason to waste it./every packet we send
and receive is moved by electricitty which usually comes from some


.. An interesting point. Whether the equipment uses more power when
communicating than when idling I don't know; I suspect that it does, but
the difference is minimal, and that there are a few circumstances where
it even uses less. Bt on the whole, it probably is more. ..

dirty origin. Don't know about the UK, but in the US many places are
short on band width, and the same is true here in southern Mexico.


.. I suspect that the format of text emails and posts - i. e. whether
top, bottom, or interposted, and whether in plain text or other such as
HTML - makes very little difference to bandwidth shortages compared to
pictures, sound, and video. ..
[]
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(Although I strongly prefer bottom-posting - or, actually, snip and
interposting, see later posts - I never say either is "incorrect".) ..
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If you're going either route, try to keep it clear and intuitive/who
has the first line does not matter that much to me, but please!
don't make me wade through five or ten lines of the same old muck just
to see your one-liner!


.. Agreed! Certainly snip, and arguably if you're just posting a
one-liner, don't quote at all! Many news clients can be configured not
to quote. ..
[]
block quote
. It is the normal convention on usenet
to quote some of the posting to
which one is replying, so that anyone joining the thread can get some
idea of what you're on about.
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SOME is the opperant word here.


.. We agree again. ..

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[]
is often courteous to do some judicial snippin...
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I'd say "judicial snipping" should only leave the most important
facts


.. We're singing from the same sheet! ..
[]
block quote
...how much to leave in
place for the benefit of newcomers is always a matter of personal
judgement, and there is no correct answer.
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Agreed, but I am opposed to always reverting to the lowest common
denominator,


.. If by that, you mean leaving the whole of the original post in place,
especially if only adding one line especially if at the top, I agree
with you! ..

or the constant retelling of the same old story
that everyone has heard, just because one nube has come in to the


.. However, if I detect someone genuinely is new to usenet (or to a
newsgroup that favours bottom-posting, and/or snipping and
interposting), I prefer to politely explain to them what is "local"
custom, rather than flame them. ..
[]
Yeppers, my whole point is that good usenet policy and polotic puts a
burden of claritty
on the poster, so some thoughtful quoting is helpful.


.. Again we are in agreement! ..

So, please, people, this is a blind-users group! Let's keep the
clutter down!


.. Well, it's now in five 'groups. I first came across it in
uk.tech.broadcast I think, though I am now reading it in the blind
'group. It might be worth stressing the point to posters in other
'groups what Burt says there - many blind folk "read" via speech output,
so quoting that hasn't been snipped very well - or not at all - wastes a
lot of time. I've tried to snip as much as possible (shown by "[]"),
while still leaving enough to make the context clear, but I'm still
aware that I've left rather a lot.

Burt Henry

[]
.. Thanks again for giving us a real viewpoint from the other side, as it
were. ..
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