flipper wrote:
On Fri, 4 Sep 2009 09:07:13 -0500, "Ouroboros Rex"
wrote:

flipper wrote:
On Thu, 3 Sep 2009 10:03:56 -0500, "Ouroboros Rex"
wrote:

flipper wrote:
On Thu, 3 Sep 2009 01:47:29 -0400, "Tom Del Rosso"
wrote:


Jim Thompson wrote:
Fascism at its finest...

Repeat After Me: There Are No Death Panels in Socialized
Heathcare...

http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/291725.php

==quote==
In a letter to The Daily Telegraph, a group of experts who care
for the terminally ill claim that some patients are being wrongly
judged as close to death.
Under NHS guidance introduced across England to help doctors and
medical staff deal with dying patients, they can then have fluid
and drugs withdrawn and many are put on continuous sedation until
they pass away.

But this approach can also mask the signs that their condition is
improving, the experts warn.

As a result the scheme is causing a "national crisis" in patient
care, the letter states. It has been signed palliative care
experts including Professor Peter Millard, Emeritus Professor of
Geriatrics, University of London, Dr Peter Hargreaves, a
consultant in Palliative Medicine at St Luke's cancer centre in
Guildford, and four others.

"Forecasting death is an inexact science," they say. Patients are
being diagnosed as being close to death "without regard to the
fact that the diagnosis could be wrong.

"As a result a national wave of discontent is building up, as
family and friends witness the denial of fluids and food to
patients."

The warning comes just a week after a report by the Patients
Association estimated that up to one million patients had
received poor or cruel care on the NHS.
==quote==

A few years ago Florida had a case of "denial of fluids and food"
to a patient who was not even near death. I still think you,
Jim, were on the wrong side of that one.

While the courts ended up playing referee on which private citizen
would prevail at least that case was a dispute between family
members on what to do

...Until the righties insisted the government take over that
decision. lol


In the first place, 'the government', in the form of the courts, was
already involved but, more to the point, 'righties', as you call
them, think the Congress has no business in the matter then, or
now, whether Republican, Democrat, or the current loony tunes.

Righties insisted Congress take up the issue.


Obama is going to put you in his 'fishy' list if you don't stop
calling him a 'rightie'.

"Fishy list", lol

cuckoo cuckoo cuckoo

Obama agrees with me.



Fact.

You wouldn't recognize a 'fact' if it hit you in the face.

Another pathetic lie.


What they wanted was for the case to be heard in a higher court and
the 'subpoena was to keep her alive till it could because dead people
don't have standing.

Tell Pat Mahoney.

Rev. Pat Mahoney was formerly with the anti-abortion group Operation Rescue
and is now executive director of the Christian Defense Coalition, "an
informal but growing network of conservative, religious and disability
organizations who, with the click of a computer mouse, are enlisting
hundreds of thousands of people in Bob and Mary Schindler's fight to keep
their daughter Terri Schiavo alive."

"The first goal of the campaign, Mahoney said, is to save Terri Schiavo's
life. But he and others also hope to roll back the laws and ethical and
medical guidelines that have evolved since 1990, when the U.S. Supreme Court
recognized artificial sustenance and hydration as medical treatment." Knight
Ridder, March 14, 2005.


Tell John Sternberger.

John Stemberger, president of the Orlando, FL,-based Florida Family Policy
Council, says that "Food and water is not medical treatment. It's ordinary
care, ... Our primary interest is what the law should be, not what the law
is, and this will be one of our top priorities: to create new public
policy." Bradenton Herald, March 14, 2005


"You wouldn't recognize a fact if it hit you in the face", right? =)