On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 18:24:56 -0700 (PDT), "
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The other side also cooks up a lot of fantastic scenarios too. A bad
guy on each side of a car for instance. A bad guy that finds you on
the ground after a heart attack and searches your body. The real
world is that you are not likely to ever need a concealed weapon.

Right. Paying attention and avoiding dangerous venues are the best
defensive measures by far. In many or most parts of the US there are
no dangerous venues.



I do not remember Rangerssucks ever using any numbers or actual facts
in this discussion.
His arguments seemed to be pretty much that one should not carry a
concealed weapon because you may be better off without a gun.

He's absolutely right about that in the context that those who are
unwilling or unable to take training in armed self defense and on the
applicable laws in their state, and then develop and maintain a
reasonable level of proficiency and skill, are better off without a
gun. My understanding is that popping a cap in self defense will
very probably cost somewhere between 25K and 100K in legal defense
costs. Even if the shoot is so clearly justified as self defense
*under applicable law in that * that prosecution is not pursued,
there will still almost certainly be civil action by survivors of the
poor assailant scumbag who probably were afraid of him but see a gravy
train with a little help from an opportunist lawyer.

Bottom line: it may be imprudent not to carry in some situations but
shots fired can and probably will be a life-changing event.