Jim Yanik wrote:

We did NOT "lose" the Vietnam War,we GAVE UP.

Giving up usually leads to losing. I will never forget the pictures of the
helicopters lifting off the embassy roof. Or the helicopters being pushed off
the carrier decks to make room for more inbound. That's losing.

Viet Nam is controlled by the other side. Saigon is called Ho Che Min City.
That's losing.

Yeah, we beat them militarily. We won the battles, they won the war.

-- Doug