On Jun 13, 2:50*am, David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 6/12/2009 6:27 PM spake thus:
On Jun 12, 1:55 pm, David Nebenzahl wrote:
We "took the Taliban out of power"? Really? *Really*?
Yeah, that's right. * Last time I checked, Afghanistan has a
functioning government that doesn't include the Taliban. * And girls
are going to school again. * Funny, aren't you libs supposed to be in
favor of women's rights? * And people aren't having their heads cut
off by the govt for alleged religious infractions or being beaten in
public for not dressing the way the Taliban says you must. * The Al-
Qaeda training camps, through which 50K terrorists openly passed while
Clinton was in charge, are now gone. * Yeah, the Taliban still
controls some parts of Afhanistan and is causing trouble, but they
have paid a heavy price.
If you want to know what's really going on in Afghanistan, read this:http://www.counterpunch.org/patrick03302009.html. Patrick Cockburn is
one of the few journalists in the world who has made reporting on events
there his job since before 9/11.
*From another article of his:
* *Even hiring one's own security men is not necessarily a guarantee of
* *safety. On the same morning that Mr Karzai was leaving Kabul for
* *Washington, the Taliban attacked a squad of armed security men in
* *Qalat, a poor dusty city that is the capital of Zabul province in the
* *far south. Hired to protect road construction workers, they were
* *slaughtered in a gun battle in which seven of them were killed and
* *three captured. Asked why he did not look for help from the Afghan
* *army or police to protect his truck convoys, Mr Bayan looked bemused.
* *"Get help from the soldiers and policemen?" he replied scornfully.
* *"Why, they can't even protect themselves, so what can they do for
* *me?"
* *The question goes to the heart of the crisis in Afghanistan. It is
* *not so much that the Taliban is strong and popular, but that the
* *government is weak, corrupt and dysfunctional. "Security has not
* *deteriorated because of what the Taliban has done," says Daoud
* *Sultanzoy, a US-trained commercial pilot who is a highly respected MP
* *from Ghazni province, south-west of Kabul, "but because people feel
* *the government is unjust. It is seen as the enemy of the people, and
* *because there is no constitutional alternative to it, the Taliban
* *gain." He is angered by a misconception common in the West that
* *Afghans do not like any form of central government or authority. "It
* *is not true that we do not like good government," he says, "but for
* *267 years we have been misruled."
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Found--the gene that causes belief in genetic determinism
Yep, and you and Harry Reid and a whole long list of libs said the
same things about Iraq a year ago when you wanted us to leave in
defeat. Funny how guys like you can always find everything negative
to put out about anything the USA is doing, how it's all wrong, doomed
to fail, but never speak out against the true evil in the world. In
fact, you appear most times to side with them or consider the USA to
be just about as evil.
BTW, you said going to war to take out the Taliban and Al-Qaeda in
Afghanistan with 3000 Americans dead and the wreckage of the WTC still
smoking was not justified. This is the third time I'm asking now.
What exactly would YOU have done?