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HeyBub[_3_] HeyBub[_3_] is offline
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CC wrote:

What rights were taken away?


My right to privacy with the NSA wire tapping through AT&T and any
other
provider, Be it telephone, internet, or any other way of ease dropping
they wanted.


There is no "right to privacy" specifically listed in the Constitution. The
Supreme Court HAS found a right to privacy in the "penumbras and emanations"
of the 4th Amendment. Interestingly, this right to privacy extends only to
sexual acts in the three cases the court has ruled on:

* Contraction,
* Abortion, and
* Deviant homosexual behavior.



And it was not just only all US - overseas. Next is their ability to
deny your rights to due process
if they "think" or want to label you as a terrorist, doesn't matter if
you are or not, just what they want
to say you are to be able to restrain you


Correct. "Due process" applies only to criminals or those charged with
criminal offenses ("In all criminal proceedings..."

The folks at Gitmo are not criminals. They have committed no crimes and they
are not being charged with crimes. As such, they are not entitled to the
benefits that criminals get: lawyers, trials, indictments, witnesses, etc.

In a similar example, hundreds of thousands of German and Italian POWs were
incarcerated, on US soil, during WW2, many of whom were US citizens (usually
dual citizenship)! Not one got a trial, lawyer, indictment by a grand jury,
or anything else along those lines.

Not that the folks at Gitmo are POWs - they are "unlawful enemy combatants."
And you're right: the president has the unfettered ability, under his
Article II powers and the customary rules of war, to designate anyone, even
you, as an "unlawful enemy combatant." There is nothing the Congress or the
courts can do about it. When this exact question was presented, some years
ago, to a court, the judge said the only recourse was to replace the
president at the next election.

Remember this: People who make war on the US are not criminals and should
not be treated as such.