flipper wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 16:00:26 +0100, Eeyore
wrote:
marcodbeast wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
Did you actually read Napolitano's report?
Did you? I'm particularly interested in whether or not you can
tell us what it said about left wing extremist groups.
About as bad as right wing extremist groups most likely.
Graham
Typical: 'presume' and 'guess' at what you haven't a clue.
I *have* read the entire report and it says not even 1 word about
"left wing extremist groups," which isn't terribly surprising with a
title of:
"Rightwing Extremism: Current
Economic and Political Climate Fueling
Sorry, you're right - different report, from January.
http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/po...ng-extremists/
http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/...ist_Threat.pdf
Traitor Ollie doesn't seem to have had much to say on that one. =)
Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment"
The first sentence opens with "The DHS/Office of Intelligence and
Analysis (I&A) has no specific information that domestic rightwing*
terrorists are currently planning acts of violence,..."
The very next 'finding' opens with: "Threats from white supremacist
and violent antigovernment groups during 2009 have been largely
rhetorical and have not indicated plans to carry out violent acts...."
There we have the lovely conundrum of "violent" groups not planning
violent acts.
Only if you cannot read the English language. lol
Was just time to engage in some fear mongering, I
suppose.
You are claiming violent groups indulge in violence 24/7? ROFLMAO
Have you noticed a distinct inability on your part to make arguments
without straw men?
In fact, they already caught a couple good ol' boys conspiring to kill
Obama - and Bush's DoJ let them go.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27405681/
Of course, besides there being not one shred of evidence for a blessed
thing said,
You can prove this? ROFLMAO
there's the huge red flag of Napolitano's 'order' to not
call people who fly airplanes into skyscrapers "terrorists' but
blithely labeling differing political opinions with it, heightened by
the absurd 'finding' that "DHS/I&A assesses that lone wolves and small
terrorist cells embracing violent rightwing extremist ideology are the
most dangerous domestic terrorism threat in the United States,"
Fact. See article at end of post.
never
mind those Islamo-fascists.
There are no "islamo-fascists." They do not exist. It's a scarecrow
invented by dishonest people who were trying to conceal what Fascism is,
during the Bush administration, and is useful mainly for sorting out the IQ
of right wing commentators. You mean 'Islamic radicals', or 'Wahabiists'.
After all, non of them are 'terrorists'
nor do they commit terrorists acts, just "man made disasters."
Obviously, 'politically correct' rhetoric is reserved for actual
declared enemies engaged in open warfare, not politics. I trust you
see the irony.
The woman is dangerously incompetent but that isn't a disqualification
in this administration. It's 'policy'.
...And ending up with the usual made-up crap. lol
Now some facts:
"Inside the home and storage facilities of William Krar, investigators
found a sodium-cyanide bomb capable of killing thousands, more than a
hundred explosives, half a million rounds of ammunition, dozens of
illegal weapons, and a mound of white-supremacist and antigovernment
literature."
From The Christian Science Monitor, 12/29/03:
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/1229/p02s01-usju.html
The terror threat at home, often overlooked
As the media focus on international terror, a Texan pleads guilty to
possessing a weapon of mass destruction.
By Kris Axtman | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor
HOUSTON --
It began as a misdelivered envelope and developed into the most
extensive domestic terrorism investigation since the Oklahoma City
bombing.
Last month, an east Texas man pleaded guilty to possession of a weapon
of mass destruction.
Inside the home and storage facilities of William Krar, investigators
found a sodium-cyanide bomb capable of killing thousands, more than a
hundred explosives, half a million rounds of ammunition, dozens of
illegal weapons, and a mound of white-supremacist and antigovernment
literature.
"Without question, it ranks at the very top of all domestic terrorist
arrests in the past 20 years in terms of the lethality of the
arsenal," says Daniel Levitas, author of "The Terrorist Next Door: The
Militia Movement and the Radical Right."
But outside Tyler, Texas, the case is almost unknown.
In the past nine months, there have been two government press releases
and a handful of local stories, but no press conference and no
coverage in the national newspapers.
Experts say the case highlights the increased cooperation and quicker
response by US agencies since Sept. 11.
But others say it points up just how political the terror war is.
"There is no value for the Bush administration to highlighting
domestic terrorism right now," says Robert Jensen, a journalism
professor at the University of Texas in Austin.
"But there are significant political benefits to highlighting foreign
terrorists, especially when trying to whip up support for war."
Mr. Levitas goes even further:
"The government has a severe case of tunnel vision when it comes to
domestic terrorism. I have no doubt whatsoever that had Krar and his
compatriots been Arab-Americans or linked to some violent Islamic
fundamentalist group, we would have heard from John Ashcroft himself."
The case began in the fall of 2002 when a package bound for New Jersey
was misdelivered to a New York address.
The family inadvertently opened the package and found fake
identification badges, including Department of Defense and United
Nations IDs.
The FBI eventually tracked the package back to Mr. Krar in Noonday,
Texas.
The cache of weapons and bombs was found when the FBI served a search
warrant in April of this year.
Krar and his common-law wife, Judith Bruey, and the receiver of the
package, New Jersey Militia member Edward Feltus, were arrested.
All three have pleaded guilty to separate counts and are awaiting
sentencing.
Brit Featherston, the assistant US attorney in charge of the case,
says it was Krar and Ms. Bruey's connections to white-supremacist
groups that prompted further investigation.
"Any little town has worse criminals on paper than these two. But
because of their background, the red flags were flying all over the
place - especially after Sept. 11," says Mr. Featherston, in the
eastern district of Texas.
Before Sept. 11, he says, the case most likely would have been worked
as a false-ID case and ended there.
Instead, dozens of law-enforcement agencies were involved and hundreds
of subpoenas were served.
"This case was very high priority," says Featherston.
Still, investigators have been unable to answer questions such as:
Where was the sodium-cyanide bomb destined?
And were the weapons being prepared for a group or sold individually?
Featherston says the investigation is ongoing and won't end until
these questions are answered.
Experts say the case is important not only because of what it says
about increased government cooperation, but also because it shows how
serious a threat the country faces from within.
"The lesson in the Krar case is that we have to always be concerned
about domestic terrorism.
It would be a terrible mistake to believe that terrorism always comes
from outside," says Mark Potok at the Southern Poverty Law Center in
Montgomery, Ala.
The fact is, the number of domestic terrorist acts in the past five
years far outweighs the number of international acts, says Mark
Pitcavage of the fact-finding department at the Anti-Defamation
League.
"We do have home-grown hate in the United States, people who are just
as ill-disposed to the American government as any international
terrorist group," he says.
Levitas estimates that there are approximately 25,000 right-wing
extremist members and activists and some 250,000 sympathizers.
The Southern Poverty Law Center counted 708 hate groups in 2002.
While Mr. Pitcavage was surprised the Krar case did not receive more
attention, "It is a fact that a lot of stories involving domestic
extremists get undercovered," he says.
He points to a case he calls one of "the major terrorist plots of the
1990s" in which militia from around the country converged in central
Texas allegedly to attack a military base.
They were arrested at a campground near Fort Hood on the morning of
July 4, 1997, with a large collection of weapons and explosives.
"There was virtually no media coverage of that incident either," says
Pitcavage.
Featherston speculates that the Krar case got little attention because
the arrests were made just after the war began in Iraq.
"Excuse me, a chemical weapon was found in the home state of George
Bush," says Levitas.
"I'm not saying the Justice Department deliberately decided to
downplay the story because they thought it might be embarrassing to
the US government if weapons of mass destruction were found in America
before they were found in Iraq. But I am saying it was a mistake not
to give this higher profile."
For his part, Krar has remained silent.
He will most likely be sentenced sometime in February, and could
receive up to life in prison.
His attorney, Tonda Curry, says the US government has no reason to be
afraid of him.
"It looks a whole lot worse than it is. He had a lot of things that
most people would never have any desire to have, but much of what he
had was perfectly legal."