RF wrote:
wrote:
On Feb 17, 9:40 pm, RF wrote:
rollo wrote:
rollo had written this in response to
http://www.thestuccocompany.com/main...in-Behr-Semi-T...

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Another 2 cents:
Here is a rule of thumb "You see a Bear in the woods, you stay still
until
it
heads off, then run. You see a Behr in Home Depot, you just run..."
As a contractor, 99 out of 100 contractors will tell you the same thing
about
Behr, in particular their deck stains/finishes. It really doesn't
matter
what
kind of Behr it is, paint, stain, cleaner... just leave it alone and
go to
another store.
Each project has different consideration. I usually use Penofin or
Cabot
and
have reasonable success and the expectations are not unrealistic as
will
some
other products.
Roland Decks
This is a load of propaganda.

First, semi transparent stains are a total waste
of time and money, no matter what company makes
them.

The only stains that are durable are the opaque
stains.

If you want to see what paints and stains can do,
I suggest visiting your local library and looking
up Consumer reports for March 2008 page 34 and 35
- this is on interior paints.

Next, in Consumer Reports June 2008 page 40 and
41 - this is on external paints and stains.

You will see that BEHR paints and stains are, on
average, as good as any other paints.


Well RF, I am not sure what you are calling a load of propaganda. I
never said any semi-transparent was any good, so it looks like you
agree with me on that point. All acrylic exterior deck products are
horrible. I have been doing decks for decades. I can always tell Behr
from other products, it is the worst of the bad bunch.

OK, let's agree on that point. But why pinpoint Behr's stains in the
subject line
"Behr Semi-Transparent Stain" when you believe ALL such stains are
horrible - sheer prejudice.

Anyone who has been in the business for any length of time will tell
you that CR is not consistent with their paint/stain reports.

People who are "in the business" very often have their own axes to grind.
For example, they do an extremely hasty and shoddy job of preparing the
surface for the new coat of paint. The result - the paint starts peeling
off soon afterwards and, of course, those "in the business" will blame
the paint. It is their way of avoiding a guilty conscience and an
eternal red face. Which Behr stain were you using Rolla when you did the
lousy preparation job?

You
should check the upgraded report online, they changed it a month after
that report in print.

I have been reading CR for at least 40 years and I know for certain that
they are one of the few really honest organizations on this planet. They
do occasionally make mistakes but then who doesn't? and they always
admit it very soon afterwards in the same magazine. Even more important
than that, they cannot be bought by the big corps. Looking through the
CR ratings in the magazine, or online, of almost any product and you
will often see products of some of the biggest companies coming right at
the end of a list of 20 or 30 other products AND products of unknown
small companies coming near the top of the list. That shows that there
is no big corp influence on the ratings. This situation is extremely
rare at a time when it appears that almost everyone in the country can
be bought, most especially the politicians.

Consumer Report places more emphasis on price
and ease of purchase overall than if product actually performs well,
any cheeky little monkey knows that.

This is brainless BS. CR puts emphasis on what the public wants - a good
product at a good price and why should they not be concerned if there is
poor service in the store. The customer and even the most brainless
monkeys know that too.

If you think Behr is ''as good
as any other paint" why even go to the CR report. I will run down to
Big Lot's and buy some $5 a gallon paint and pour it a Behr can for
you, if you will pay me $30 to do it.

Selling non-BEHR paint in a BEHR can could land you in jail where I
suspect, you might belong.

Believe what you want, it really
doesn't matter. Any pro painter will tell you that Behr is not just
bad but the bottom of the barrel, despite CR and the Home Depot
marketing machine.

This is nothing but sheer prejudice. Do better preparations of the
surfaces and
all paints will stay on longer.

The June 2008 CR, page 40 shows the PAINT brands being tested for
durability after 3 years of exposu California (best), then all the
following had EXACTLY the same ratings: ACE (2 products), BEHR (5
products), Ben Moore (3) and Olympic (1).

In the same article, p 41: tests for Opaque stains we

Fully Tested (equal to 9 years exposure)
1 Olympic Premium $21/gal.
2 BEHR Plus 10 alkyd $20/gal.
3 Cabot OVT 6500 (alkyd) $30/gal.
etc

Another group (page 41),(3 - 6 years exposure) still being tested, had
BEHR at the top of group of 3: BEHR, Sears and M.A.B.

You can try Cabot, TWF, Woolman's, SW- Woodscape, Penofin, Valspar
even.... use marine varnish, wood wax, oils, resins, whatever.... You
should never use Behr. Period..... Have fun with your CR reports, the
rest of us actually USE the products to assess them.

Roland Decks.......

DECKs

CR July 2008 has an article on decks p 38 and 39.

Pre-Treated wood decks (4 products - Iron Woods, Thompsonized, Cedar and
TimberSil.), Composites (11 products), Plastic(5 products) and Aluminum
(1 product) For durability, the Aluminum won hands down in all ratings.

In the stain category were 3 groupings. The first group included 3-year
test results and had 16 various treatments from opaque to semis. The top
rated one was Flood Solid Color Deck and Siding - opaque latex. No BEHR
brand was in the list.

The second group included 2-year test results and still being tested. It
had 3 brands total:
1 BEHR Deck Plus Deck Fence.... opaque latex $23
2 Sears Weatherbeater 26895 opaque latex $30
3 Thompsons Water Seal deck and House Semi-latex $20.

All the above 1, 2, 3 orders was the order of the best products.

After reading Rollo's prejudiced comments, and C.R., even brainless
monkeys would understand the situation. Rollo has nightmares about
surfaces that he very badly prepared ;-) So BEHR takes all the blame.
Poor Rollo!

Another interesting point:

Consumer Reports Buying Guide for 2008 gives an
interesting comment about Deck Treatments on page 81.:

Look Beyond the Brand

The same brand treatments often perform
differently. What's more, a brand that worked well
for you the last time may not this time, since
manufacturers change products frequently to
address cost and performance, and to comply with
government regulations.