On Jan 23, 3:08*pm, David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 1/23/2009 11:55 AM HeyBub spake thus:





David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 1/23/2009 7:42 AM HeyBub spake thus:

wrote:

On another note, how did you like the response Obama got from those
peace loving Hamas friends or yours? * Obama made a statement that
the Palestinians must stop firing rockets at Israel and Israel must
complete it's troop withdrawl from Gaza. * *Seems pretty reasonable
to me. * *The response from Hamas was swift. * They said Obama is
following Bush and is destined to another 4 years of failure in the
Middle East. * *That despite the fact that Obama spent the last year
going out of his way to try to be nice to them and kiss their
asses. * *Gee, what a swell bunch of reasonable, decent, peace
loving folks.

He's trying.

His very first call to a foreign leader as president was to a dude
named Mahmoud.

Good god, your ignorance is breathtaking, just spectacular.

You're talking about Mahmoud Abbas, the head of the Palestinian
Authority. Abbas is Israel's (and the US's) lapdog, the anti-Hamas,
"moderate" statesman that Israel will talk with, as opposed to the
democratically-elected actual government of Palestine, which is Hamas.

But I guess 'round heah', all you gotta do is throw out some Arab's
name and everyone just nods their heads and agrees that he must be a
"turrist".
Bunch of ****ing idiots, the lot of you.

I don't know what you're getting all exercised about! I was trying to give
the president all the credit he deserves. The president has said over and
over that he will negotiate with anybody and I take that to mean 'turrists"
(but possibly not Republicans).

Just for the record here, I fully expect Obama to be every bit as much a
disaster for the Palestinians (meaning that he will utterly fail to
resolve the "Middle East crisis") as any of his predecessors.

The biggest disaster for the Palestinians is the Palestinians
themselves. They had an opportunity to choose reasonable leaders.
Instead they chose Hamas, a terrorist puppet of Iran, as their
government.

And as the latest example of who's reasonable and who's nuts, I gave
you the response Hamas blasted at Obama. Obama made a statement that
the Palestinians need to stop launching rockets at Israel and Israel
needs to complete their troop withdrawl from Gaza. Perfectly
reasonable. And Hamas' response to the new president, who at best
has kissed their asses for the last year and at worst has done nothing
to them? They told him he's following Bush and destined to failure
in the Middle East. Swell bunch of reasonable folks, who will take
every opportunity to incite their people to violence instead of
seeking opportunities for peace. You have as much chance at reasoning
with them as with Charlie Manson or Idi Amin.





His
appointment of Dennis Ross practically guarantees that. (His appointment
of George Mitchell as envoy to Israel/Palestine is encouraging, but I
doubt that Mitchell will be given enough slack in his leash to
accomplish his nearly-impossible self-imposed task.)

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