"HeyBub" wrote in message
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Jay Chan wrote:

I understand this. Israel is pushing Palestinians to the wall. When
someone gets cornered, that person will fight back with everything he
can get his hand on.

US media doesn't seem to have learnt anything from the lesson of the
so called Iraq WMD program. It is still acting like a government
mouth piece. So much for free press...

Honestly I have really no idea what is the final goal of what Israel
is doing in West Bank and Gaza. If the goal is to make Palestinians
as uncomfortable as possible in order to force them away and to grab
their lands, Palestinians have no where else to go, and other Arab
countries are not going to accept the Palestinians.

Israel once occupied the West Bank and Gaza (and Sinai). All have been
given up - Sinai to the Egyptians and the West Bank and Gaza to the
Palestinians (except for less than 1% of the West Bank still under
negotiation).

There are NO Israeli settlements in Gaza.

When Hamas refers to the "Zionist occupation" it means the Jewish state in
the Middle East. To Hamas, Israel is unlawfully occupying Tel Aviv,
Jerusalem, Haifi, Askelon, and everything in between.


If the goal is to
grab West Bank to create a defensible depth (West Bank is right in the
middle of Israel), Israel is not saying which part of the land Israel
is willing to give up to exchange for West Bank. If the goal is to
find a way to live peacefully with Palestinians, what Israel doing is
the complete opposite.

Currently Israel is totally depending on US supports, their own secret
stocks of nuclear weapons, and the fact that surrounding Arab
countries are US clients and are not democratic. But none of these
are safe bet. The long term trend is that US power will not like what
it used to be. Countries left and right are doing nuclear program or
setting up nuclear lab for "peaceful" purpose. Weak Arab client
states may become democratic and need to respond to population call
for "action".

My advice to Israel is to "live and let live", and make a good peace
deal when US power is still strong and the relative strength of Israel
is still good.


Good advice. If Hamas stopped terrorist activities today against Israel,
there would be peace. If Israel stopped defending itself today, it would
soon cease to exist.



I agree entirely. Israel has had over 6000 missiles fired into its cities
and towns by Hamas. It eventually chose to retaliate and attempt to stop
these attacks. Israel returned land it had captured back to the Arabs in
exchange for a promise of peace. Instead it was fired upon 6320 times with
Hamas missiles.

Hamas very deliberately places itself in the midst of civilians and uses
mosques, hospitals, and schools as places to launch their missiles.

What kind of human beings are these people who strap bombs to their bodies
and blow themselves up? Within Pakistan they are murdering each other and
fighting tribal and sectarian battles which have nothing to do with Israel
because they would rather blame others for their problems than take
ownership themselves.....