Upscale wrote:


"Mark & Juanita" wrote in message
Just a reminder, the topic at hand here is your comment: "While gangs
and
criminals have certainly been involved in a number of these shootings, a
fair amount of those shootings were done by ordinary law abiding citizens
who decided to carry a gun that day".

I'll ask you again. What will be the result if you get definitive proof?
The links I posted were available with a simple 10 minutes search.
Assuming I spent 2 hours and produced undeniable evidence. What gain will
there be.

Two of the links I produced were exactly the evidence *without question*
that you've demanded to see, yet in your infinite wisdom, you've chosen to
shoot them down anyway. The woman smoking and the guy walking by the bar
were both innocent bystanders shot down by people who moments before had
been asked to leave. They weren't gang members and theirs no evidence to
say that they were out just to cause trouble.


Of the two links you cite above, only one really rises the the "normal
citizen who decided to carry a gun that day" The case of the two men
returning still falls under a pre-meditated act. We have had similar cases
in the US where angry people return to a place from which they have been
bounced in a vehicle traveling at high speed with the intent to run down
the doorman and others.


I can product quite a few more articles like people being shot at birthday
parties, non violent gatherings and stuff like that. But, why do I need
to? I've given you two examples and you're demanding more.


What you've already provided shoots down your assertion, while a very
small number of cases may occur (some of which, as stated above are simply
because the gun was the closest tool), your links indicate that the largest
number of such deaths are a result of getting caught in gangland or
drug-related violence -- both of which will not be resolved by disarming
regular citizens. As I asked before, for the small number of the other
cases that appear to get a great deal of highly charged press, you are not
informed of the many times when a law abiding citizen with a gun prevents
violence to themselves or loved ones.

I'd much rather take my chances with being able to defend myself while
have a vanishingly small chance of encountering something such as you
describe than being made into an unarmed victim in a disarmed populace.

You people in Canada can do as you please -- gun control has really worked
out well for Britain and also Australia where violent crime is up now that
the criminals know the people are unable to defend themselves.



Let me put the onus on you. Prove I'm wrong about the two shooting
incidents above and then I'll see about finding you more proof.

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If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough