Gene, I'm well aware of your type of thinking and your type of logic but
that has already been proven invalid by my experience. I have found that
when I meet God's conditions he is faithful 100% of the time. I can't
verify anyone else's claims but I know in my own experiences I have prayed
for things and received answers that would be impossible to explain by any
natural causes. I know there are many that fall under your B. F. Skinner
category but there are also many that don't.
Some claim to be Christians as a fire insurance, in case it would happen to
be true, they don't want to be thrown in the fire. These are the ones that
fit in B. F. Skinners philosophy. There are also Christians that are life
and death serious with God. Their religion isn't just a Sunday morning feel
good comfort thing. Such people experience supernatural miracles from God
on an almost daily basis.
There's a guy on Youtube and other video's that I don't know if he's the
real deal or not but he prays for people and they appear to be healed and he
prays for pregnant women and they have their babies right on camera within
seconds. Can a person fake the birth of a baby?

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-RpO.../instant_baby/

Leg Cancer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpajHwwuzig

Like I said, I don't know if these are genuine or not but I do know people
that have had similar healings, at least enough to know the real exists.

RogerN


"Gene" wrote in message
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On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 01:46:04 -0600, "RogerN"
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"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message
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"RogerN" wrote in message
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Ya' know, Roger-------if God was looking out for you, you'd have avoided
the crash.

Harold


God doesn't seem to look out for people like that. Instead of delivering
people out of a bad situation, he sees them through it. Like the book
says,
all things work together for good for those who love the Lord.

RogerN



Harold, you are, essentially, trying to teach a pig to dance.

I couldn't resist chiming in, though, because this is such a perfect
example of some 60 year old research (Superstition in the Pigeon) by
the psychologist, B. F. Skinner.
http://psychclassics.yorku.ca/Skinner/Pigeon/

"Prayer is used by theists to achieve something they desire. When it
'works' they think their god caused it and believe similar prayers
will work again. When prayer doesn't work, they think they're not
worthy of the answer. So they either conform the prayer to ones that
have worked or try a new one. "
http://groups.google.com/group/Athei...913c3879f291e6

Many of the "faithful" realize this flawed logic, though, and (giving
credit to the Theory of Cognitive Dissonance) that is why, in the very
real face of disconfirming evidence, there are libraries full of
Christian apologetics ramblings. The inevitable conclusion of any of
these ensuing, uh, discussions, is that any conclusion drawn counter
to the apologists' belief structure will surely be met with the
ultimate defense (God said IT, I believe IT, and that's THAT.)

Hop out of the mud, shower off, and move on to dialog with somebody
that doesn't define their existence as a brick in an immovable wall...
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