"Getting really tired of this political stuff" wrote:

Can't you guys take it somewhere else and use this forum for what it was set
up for. Is it ever going to stop? Yes I just added to the off crap here!

I believe there is a standard method for proposing a new group that isn't in the alt
hierarchy. I did a quick google, this is the first that came up:
http://www.duke.edu/ugm/proposal-submission.html

Since it was last modified in 1996, it might be out of date.

Have fun and report back.

Wes

ps Shout out to Ed and Larry!