On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:46:49 -0600, HeyBub wrote:
Curly Surmudgeon wrote:
On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:21:32 -0600, HeyBub wrote:
wrote:
tg wrote:
The night we waved goodbye to America
*snip*
You Republicans had absolute control of our nation for 6 out of the
last 8 years, yet you did nothing, NOTHING, to promote your so-called
"values". If you weren't busy talking out of one side and doing the
complete OPPOSITE of what you claim to stand for, I'd vote for your
party.
## Well, things were pretty good for six years. Pretty good in spite of
9-11, Katrina, and two wars. Then the Democrats took over congress.
Nonsense. An illegal invasion of a soverign nation which was of no
threat to us,
## Nice buzz words; let's take them one at a time. "Illegal invasion" -
what law was broken?
Same as Korea and Vietnam, only Congress has the power to Declare War.
That didn't happen and I suspect you know damn well.
Under Article II of the Constitution - you do
believe in the supremecy of the Constitution, don't you - the president
has unlimited war-making powers.
Nope, grasshopper, the President does _not_ have "unlimited war-making
powers."
He may wage war on whomever he wants.
Bull****.
But there is a remedy for those who disagree. According to one appellate
court, "the people are free to remove the president at the next
election."
I'm happy to do that.
torture,
## Again, this is part of the president's war-making power. You may not
like it, but it's his prerogative.
More lies. Not only is torture wrong, not give reliable intelligence,
against the very principles America stands for, a risk to our own
soldiers, but torture violates the Geneva Conventions which we are a
signatory to.
an economic unwinding that is finally rising above most people's radar
horizon,
## As I said before, things were pretty good for six years.
Specifically, low unemployment, low inflation, 21 straight quarters of
economic growth. It all started to go south when the Democrats took over
congress.
Stop saying it then. Republicans had absolute control for 6 of those 8
years, that is what caused this economic disaster.
the "Patriot Act",
## Most people have no idea what was in the Patriot Act. For example,
they think it was a law - it wasn't a single law. It was a collection of
some huge number (60 as I recall) modifications to existing laws, mainly
to bring them up to date. For example, roaming wiretaps to account for
cell-phone usage and "letter subpoenas" were expanded from a handful of
businesses (car rental agencies, storage facilities, banks) to any
business.
Most of the "Patriot Act" is a clear violation of the 4th Amendment
therefore illegal.
massive
plundering of the economy (wealth transfer) to their cronies,
## Huh?
MASSIVE PLUNDERING OF THE ECONOMY (WEALTH TRANSFER) TO THEIR CRONIES.
implementation of a theocracy,
## What theocracy? Are you compelled to attend the National Church? Are
you prevented from attending your own? Is some official set of
sacraments taught at your local school?
More bull****. Bush has stated numerous times that god told him to invade
Iraq. Direct transfers of tax dollars are now going to churches and even
before religionists escaped equal taxation. There is no exemption in the
Constitution for tax exemption to religion.
uncountable dead due to his EO against stem cell research,
## There was no executive order prohibiting stem cell research. The only
restriction the government put on stem cell research was that the
government wouldn't pay for research using new stem cell lines.
As I said, Bush's EO against stem cell research. Who do you think funds
medical research?
As for
uncountable dead, that's not true. The number of dead is zero. There has
been NO stem-cell-based cure for anything. There may never be one.
You are wrong again. Diabetes and Parkinsons have been successfully
treated already, even with the depressed, and suppressed, stem cell
research programs hobbled by underfunding.
violation of the church/state clause,
## And what would that violation be?
Asked and answered above.
direct
funding of churches,
## Didn't happen. You're hallucinating.
You're lying, began in 2003:
http://usliberals.about.com/od/faith...nds_Faith2.htm
wiped their collective asses with the Constitution, failure to complete
his major assignmnet, capture or kill bin Laden,
## I hate to be the one to tell you, but killing or capturing bin Laden
was never a goal of the United States
You're lying again:
"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our
number one priority and we will not rest until we find him." - G.W. Bush,
9/13/01
"I want justice...There's an old poster out West, as I recall, that said,
'Wanted: Dead or Alive,'" - G.W. Bush, 9/17/01, UPI
- I refer you to Douglas Feith's
[Undersecretary of Defense for Policy] book, "War and Decision." The
single strategy pursued with absolute dedication was/is to prevent
another attack on the United States or U.S. interests abroad. To achieve
this goal, tactics were put in place to disrupt or destroy terrorist
communications, funding, training, movement, and recruiting. If bin
Laden were captured during any of these endeavors, that would be a plus,
but killing or capturing bin Laden was never any kind of goal.
In the decade preceding 9-11, there were about one or two attacks on the
U.S. per year. WTC 1, the USS Cole, embassy bombings, diplomat
kidnappings, etc. Since the above policy was implemented, there has not
been a single terrorist incident involving U.S. civilian interests,
either at home or abroad.
Most people know that correlation is not proof.
destruction of the American reputation worldwide, etc.
## So what? Responsible people don't give a fig about reputation.
Apparently you don't know any.
We do what we do that's in our own best interests. We do not curry favor
with the world. Our sense of self-worth is not dependent on the majority
vote or approbation of the "world."
Spoken like a real Texan. Foolish too.
Either you've been living in a cave without tv or internet or are
lying.
Maybe both. But at least I don't live in a theocracy - and neither do
you.
Ok, you're lying.
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Regards, Curly
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