"fred" wrote in message ...
In article , dennis@home
writes


"fred" wrote in message ...
In article , dennis@home
writes


"fred" wrote in message ...


In extremis though I reckon I can make a wooden door and frame more
secure than a plastic one but few pay what it would cost to do it.

Anything you can add to a wooden door can be added to a plastic one.

It would be difficult to imagine the add-ons that would make a uPVC door
installation as secure as a wooden block blank door (or 60min exterior
fire door) with twin BS approved deadlocks, suitable hinging and steel
reinforcement for locks, hinges and frame.

A steel framed uPVC door and frame is a start but the flawed locking
system and the vulnerable panels make it weak once its design limits are
passed.

You don't fit steel cored panels as well as steel cored frames?

No, as I would never fit a plastic door.

Mine has multipoint locks and a dead lock BTW.

Do you think it is as secure as the installation I described above?

Yes.
Do you think what you described is secure?
How many minutes do you think it is secure for?


I suspect the brickwork is the weak point as it will be on a good wooden
door.
When I was working for Chubb a few decades back we had to reinforce the
brickwork on some jobs.
These days with battery powered angle grinders it probably isn't worth
doing
that.

I'd be happy with 5 minute protection with a monitored alarm sounding,
120dB in your ear while bashing away can be quite a distraction I (don't)
hear.

But alarms are so easy to disable.
I used to fit them BTW.
They also cause so many false alarms that most are ignored.
I bet that your monitoring company doesn't respond very quick if it has 20
false alarms in the few days leading up to a break in and its easy to make a
false alarm happen, especially on a monitored one if they use the phone
lines.


I bet there is a good chance I could take the whole frame out on 99% of
doors in a couple of minutes whatever locks are fitted.

BTW, have you attached your alarm in such a way that it will go off if
someone removes the frame or is the sensor attached to the frame? I ask
because nobody ever does!