Kurt Ullman wrote:
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Nate Nagel wrote:


We've already seen where Bush's lies have taken us. McCain simply will
tell you whatever you want to hear to get elected; I have no idea what
his true agenda is. Obama is simply a Democrat; that's bad, but that's
less bad than the devil I don't know.

Didn't you say a couple of posts ago that you were voting for Obama
(in part) because he was younger and had less of a track record in lying
to us? That would seem to be the devil you don't know.

I *do* know that Bush and McCain have PROVEN themselves to have no
integrity. What I *don't* know is what they are trying to accomplish.
(well, I suspect that Bush was influenced by the PNAC. I haven't a clue
what McCain wants, except to simply be President.)

Obama is trying to move policy in a leftwardly direction. We *know*
this. This is not completely bad; so long as the more reasonable
elements of Congress can at least get him to lower corporate tax rates,
there's really nothing wrong with, say, reasonable progressive personal
income taxes or health care reform.


The real problem is people like you who refuse to accept that you've
been lied to and manipulated.

Or people who say the above. Seems sanctimonious at best and
condescending at worst. Those who refuse to accept YOUR view of reality
are lied to and manipulated.

No, anyone who still thinks that Bush is a good President or McCain has
any integrity *has* been lied to and manipulated. If that sounds
condescending so be it, but the evidence is plain and readily available
to anyone who is willing to do more than simple watch Fox News.

nate

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