N8N wrote:

Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Feith, and others understand this. Obama,
Biden, Pelosi, Carter, and others of the left do not.

Oh, yes, if I want examples of functional, intelligent foreign policy,
I'm going to turn to people like Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld.

Couldn't you come up with some examples of people who have not been
dismal failures?


Sure. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Feith. Actually, anybody who claims to be
a neoconservative.

I guess it depends on your definition of success. In my definition,
foreigners don't get a vote and success depends entirely on what's in the
best interests of the United States. I am indifferent in the extreme whether
the French have their feelings hurt or the Minoans are miffed. I measure
success by how many enemies of this great republic, their wives, children,
and goats die a horrible death (preceded, if possible, by piteous
lamentations), not the readings on some imaginary "Love Meter."

To paraphrase Admiral Halsey: "Kill terrorists. Kill terrorists. Kill more
terrorists!"

But, being fair, I can see how to those who value - nay, depend - on the
approbation of others will have a different metric (to use a Rumsfeld word)
in measuring "success."