"Jim Yanik" wrote in message
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"olddog" wrote in
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retired54 wrote:
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"retired54" wrote:
we lost the war in iraq the day it started.

We won the war, what we are having problems with is winning the
peace. If you look at past history, this is not an unusual
occurrence is US history.

What did *you* win other than a huge national debt?

## We got to kill lots and lots of goblins. Priceless.


I've never been concerned with winning "freedom" for people just
because they happen to be sitting on a huge oil reserve.

## Germany invaded Russia for oil. Japan attacked Pearl Harbor so the
country could have uninterrupted access to oil in the Dutch East
Indies. Access to oil is a time-tested excuse for going to war.


I'd rather win the war on "oil addiction". Your war just perpetuates
the life style of excess that our planet can't sustain.

## Every time I hear someone long for a simpler time, a less
complicated life, a revel in the serenity of nature's basics, I have
one word:

Dentistry.


Yeah you won.


Not yet. We don't have ALL the oil.

You really need to watch the Frontline episode "Heat". Dude...were
all screwed!

Keep hiding your head in the sand but it's going to catch up with you
or your kids. The earth can only support so many American life styles.
China, India and Micro Indonesia are taking over. Right now they are
going through the same growing pains America is still growing through.
Manhattan, Florida, parts of Texas, New Jersey etc...are going to be
under water. For Christ sake it's already happening. Something is
happening and if we don't wake up and address it we're doomed.
Personally, I hold little hope for the future of mankind. Call me a
kook but the evidence is here now.

Some people say technology holds the answer. I think we all need to
curb our expectations and learn how to live with less. Conserve,
recycle, move close to work or quit, walk to the store, ride your
bike. We're too damn fat anyway. Keep your appliances turn off or
down. Quit having so many damn babies. We don't have to rely on
technology for the answer when it's our over indulgent life styles
that is the problem.

I've drastically cut back on my gasoline, electrical and natural gas
usage by keeping lights off and the thermostat up high in the summer
and cooler in the winter. I'm always turning things off and unplugging
things. I walk to the store when possible. But I don't see anybody
else doing a god damn thing. They drive around in their SUVs like
nothings happening. They just don't get it and I don't expect anything
to change

olddog (aka kook)






you go right ahead in cutting back.

global warming is a bunch of nonsense.


hence...we're screwed

we need more nuclear power plants.

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Jim Yanik
jyanik
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kua.net

agreed about nuclear tho, but i don't understand....if global warming is
"nonsense" why not more coal plants?

Watch "Heat":

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/heat/

olddog